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Built my newest layout 8 years ago. DCS works great as well as everything else. When I built it I made up several insulated rails for crossing gates and block signals. All worked great and still do. Last November I was cleaning the tracks and for some reason I checked track voltage around the different loops and sidings. All had 18 volts. However, when I checked the insulated rails I was shocked to say the least that they were at 30 volts. Everything still works fine including the crossing gates and block signals. I'm using Gargraves track & Ross Curtis switches. (Switches are hand thrown) Crossing gates and block signals are fed by a Lionel RS-1 set at 12 volts. Track power comes from 3 Z-4000's. 30 volts at the insulated rails adds up to 12 volts from the RS-1 & 18 volts from the Z-4000's. They are not connected any way that I can find. The relays that are used for the crossing gates and block signals are from Scott's Odds & Ends. (MTR-12T relays) When the trains are running and hit the insulated rails the voltage goes right to 18 volts. (Not even a spark when wheels it the insulated track)

i'm amazed everything has run o well for all these years but something is not right.

 

i would greatly appreciate any help from you electrical folks. My body aches from spending the last 2 months on a creeper under my 22 x 32 layout. Thanks guys.

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You do realize that sometimes a meter will give bogus readings on some voltage outputs, especially if they're not true sine wave outputs.  However, the fact that you have 12V and 18 volts running around does suggest they're getting added.

 

Did you turn off the 12V and see what reading you get?  Could this be simply a phasing issue with the transformers?  Try swapping the orientation of one of the transformer plugs.

Well guys, it's fixed. Thank you Gregg, Gunrunnerjohn & Railfan Ron. The RS-1 transformer was plugged into another outlet. Such an easy fix after spending 2 months under the layout checking 18 devices and untold amounts of 16/2 wire. Plus, my wife asked me at Thanksgiving time if the transformers were phased. I had it stuck in my thick head that the only transformers that needed to be phased were the Z-4000's. I just went upstairs and told her it has been solved. She wants to join the forum.

 

Thanks again guys. Hopefully I"ll meet you all at Trainstock on Saturday..

Originally Posted by Captain John:

I had it stuck in my thick head that the only transformers that needed to be phased were the Z-4000's.

And you were right.

 

You could be powering your signal system with a car battery just as easily.  As long as they are separate systems, it doesn't matter.

 

The RS-1 adds a little bit more complexity to the mix, if you were using it too for train control.  It is more like a CW-80 electrically and often does not like to play with conventional / sine wave transformers. 

You could be powering your signal system with a car battery just as easily.  As long as they are separate systems, it doesn't matter.

 

That's true, It's not uncommon to have one side of  DC imposed on the outside rail; I've done it for relays instead of adding bridge rectifiers  to every dc relay.

 

I not so sure about the RS-1 though, I suppose it's the same idea since only one side of the AC(RS-1)  is imposed on outside rail. Why the high voltage reading?

Originally Posted by Captain John:

Well guys, it's fixed. Thank you Gregg, Gunrunnerjohn & Railfan Ron. The RS-1 transformer was plugged into another outlet. Such an easy fix after spending 2 months under the layout checking 18 devices and untold amounts of 16/2 wire. Plus, my wife asked me at Thanksgiving time if the transformers were phased. I had it stuck in my thick head that the only transformers that needed to be phased were the Z-4000's. I just went upstairs and told her it has been solved. She wants to join the forum.

 

Thanks again guys. Hopefully I"ll meet you all at Trainstock on Saturday..

Anything that interests your spouse in trains, is a good thing. Worth the 2 months work!

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