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Originally Posted by Mike CT:

There are configurations where parallel power supplies are used, usually with a TPC Track Power controller.  Lionel had a connection piece where two PH 135's or for that matter two PH 180's could be connected for (MORE POWER !!) 

(1.)  Parallel-ing transformers most likely needs to be done with (2) transformer that are the same thing. (Same impedance).  Why?  Good Question   Works better.

(2.)  If the OCP, (Over Current Protection) of a PH 135 is 7.5 amps, when paralleled the effective OCP doubles to 15 amps.  Possible arc/spark/and weld on dead short derails with this type of power.

I have a question along these lines, too. I have two transformers feeding my Legacy Powermaster. I believe this is fine, based on what I've read and also Mike's response, because:

 

1) The transformers are identical: Atlas/Williams 80w units.

2) Combined, they're under the 180w capacity of the Powermaster, so I assume they're also safely under the amperage and "OCP" of that unit as well. Everything runs nice and cool, though I admit I haven't induced any major shorts yet.

 

Am I missing anything? Thanks!

Alan P

Originally Posted by Mike CT:

(2.)  If the OCP, (Over Current Protection) of a PH 135 is 7.5 amps, when paralleled the effective OCP doubles to 15 amps.  Possible arc/spark/and weld on dead short derails with this type of power.

(3.)  A power system like this needs to have additional OCP per block, or track circuit. I have my Parallel transformer system fused at no more than 7.5 amps per block/track circuit.

 

Mike,

 

Like Bill, my electrical knowledge is weak.  I guess I'm not sure what you are gaining with your parallel transformer system (two PH135) when you fuse it to 7.5 amps.  I think an OCP of 7.5 amps would limit the power to the tracks to 135 watts.  Seems like one PH135 would meet your needs. 

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

There are several rules of thumb about parallel transformers.  One that immediately comes to mind is they should have identical specifications to properly share the load.

 

Truthfully, I think this is probably a bad idea, I'd just get a properly sized transformer.

 

I have to go along with 'gunrunnerjohn' on this one.

Just get a larger transformer from an online vendor or ebay if you trust ebay.

It's better to have too much power in a transformer then too little power.

Besides the smaller transformers can be used for lighting.

 

Lee Fritz

Originally Posted by WRGMILW:

Hi Guys & Gals

 

I am not a electronics whiz or engineer . 

A customer asked me if he could put a Lionel 36watt power supply & a Lionel 72watt power supply in the same oval to equal 108 watts for his Lion chief set ?

is this a good or bad idea ?

 

Thanks in advance! 

Bill Gile  

The simple answer is it's a bad idea.

 

It's not an impossible idea, but the hiccups and cautions (as cited above with great technical challenges) you need to deal with are not worth it.  Especially not just to get 108 watts.  


And it very well could damage/destroy one of the units in spectacular fashion (the "magic smoke" may be let out) in the process.  (If you don't know what I mean by magic smoke, that's an old electronics joke about letting out the magic smoke.  Item works before you let the magic smoke out by doing something like this, but then never works again once the smoke is let out.

 

This is one of those questions where if the person is asking, they are probably not technically prepared to deal with the ramifications of trying to successfully do it.

 

-Dave

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