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Just read Lewis W.'s thread about frying his Proto 1 boards.  Coincidentally I have a similar tale from earlier today.  Ran a Proto 1 engine around the tracks for a while with no problem.  Suddenly it stopped, shorting out the transformer.   Saw small whips of smoke coming from the area around the underside of the frame near the front trucks.  Detected a sort of burnt metallic smell.  

 

I took the shell off to see what I could find.  Removed the front can motor, disconnected the lights, poked around some more.   Did not see any foreign matter in the wheels, gears or rollers.  Didn't see anything that obviously looked burnt -- although I'm not sure what that would look like anyway.  Put everything back in order best I could, reattached the shell and put it back on the track.  Now it runs forward and reverse, but there's a  buzzing sound whenever the voltage level is raised.  It almost sounds like an old E-unit from a postwar engine but not quite that loud.  Anyone have any ideas what might be the cause?  If the boards had been fried, it wouldn't be running now, would it?

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GGG- question. i assume if the voltage requlator failed that the upper board would not survive very long?  The rectifier is is receiving pre-rectified voltage. Typically filtered by capacitors. Is it possible he is hearing AC ripple? Bad capacitor? Or has it been your findings that the regulator fails and the upper board can handle the original input to the regulator that is now present on its output?

 

There are 3 areas that rectification occur on the board.  The main square rectifier is part of the Motor Drive conversion of AC to DC, followed by the large diodes used to drop voltage to the motor.

 

Under the 2 larger capacitors is a series of diodes that also rectify AC input for the use of the relay and circuit controls, voltage regulators, etc...

 

I have seen a capacitor failure cause issues too, but rarely.  Instead, you typically see burned traces usually because of a diode failure.

 

The one regulator is constant 5V, the other is an adjustable that is set for around 9-10V.  If it fails, than as you raise track voltage the DC output goes above 10V and you start to hear distortion in the audio.   If this regulator fails so there is no output you loose audio though the board still functions motion wise from the 5VDC regulator.

 

So his symptom is at low track voltage it seems to work fine, but at higher voltages the distortion occurs.  Low track voltage will have low VR output even if not regulating because of damage, but once voltage goes above the set voltage the regulator continues to allow higher voltage to be generated.

 

This regulator is the one that is heat sunk. G

 

 

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