Another round of reset codes for R2LCs

Does this engine have K-Line Cruise? If not I believe all the 3rd party non cruise engines equipped with a DCDR use "4". Steam engine with smoke.

Some of the 2 digit codes Lionel used on their engines were specific for particular engines. Most Odyssey steam engines use 74 I believe with a few exceptions.

Pete

I suspect this is a question for Jon Z. from Lionel.  I've often wondered about the two and three digit codes and what they do different than the single digit codes.

Perhaps we could start compiling a list of codes and the engine model number they go with.  And does it hurt anything if you enter the incorrect code?  I ask because I'm the one with the pulsing smoker in neutral and if a simple code change changes it to always be on, I'd be happy to do so.

The feature codes are listed in the owners manual. If you don't have the manual check the Lionel site to see if you can download it. Check the chapter on how to reset your engine to factory defaults.

Pete

Many times you don't have access to the user's manual, which is why I'd like to know exactly what the different numbers actually do.  Besides, I'm just curious.

Let me see if I can explain this. For people that has been in the military, they should understand. 

 You have civilians that are going in all directions until they are trained, we will call them serial. Now you have the Drill Instructor that is going to train them, we will call him the R2LC. When programmed the R2  trains these serial to go in a certain direction at a specific time thus obeying orders. This affects the serial data whether in normal or inverted mode. If I remember correctly and don't quote me on this, code 43 is headlight on all the time when engine is in reverse. Code 74 is for chuff in conventional and H.L. on all the time. Usually the engines that require these code have mechanical smoke units and I.R tethers. Smoke on in reverse ?.   As John said maybe Jon or Mike can give us more insight. 

Bill 

Bill,  I have the old notes from jon&mike, but all of the two and three digit codes were not discussed, and it's is possible some of this older (2000) stuff is not documented.  Some codes turn serial off, others invert it(why?), some seem to apply to engines with ir tether.  I understand the feature differences, but it would be nice to understand the differences when the loco features are the same. i did check my notes and my 2000 series 28000 engines use the code 07 L2RC.  G

I also am curious for a definitive answer on the codes. I will keep watchingfor the answer.

Here is a summary of posted info I have on the R2LC and the codes.  Jon Z provided some more details and the #3 is explained.  Still no specific info.  Not sure what difference the Inverted non inverted or Serial on or off in conventional does.  Most of this was for the 1999 coding.  I imagine most has to do with Railsounds as far as the inversion or serial off.  I know the 28000 series had either Signal Sounds or RS, and some where upgradeable and others came fully command.  My 28000 have Code 7 R2LC and they respond to AUX1 8-9 for smoke.  I know an early post said Code 07 don't have that capability, but mine do.  G

All told there are a total of 7 R2LC's that were produced thus far. 

They are as follows; 

C04 (early modular TMCC locos and command ready modular boards)

C05 (used exclusively in the Lionel Backshop)

C06 (used in the later TMCC steamers (such as the later semi scale pacifics and hudsons, after the whole motherboard issues were corrected)

C07 (used initially in the C-420's only, but then used by licensees) Also used in the 28000 Series

C08 (the most common, produced in the largest number, compatible with all aftermarket upgrade boards, this is the board pretty much everyone uses; Atlas O, 3rd Rail, Weaver, K-Line (even the new SD70MAC's!, etc. the C08 board is also the one that will be sent to anyone who orders an R2LC from either us or DD.)

C08 board will sub for a CO7, but you need to reverse the marker light polarity.

C11 (used in newer RS 5.0 locos with Odyssey)

C13 (U33 now the most current R2LC, used in all new production Lionel stuff with RS 5.0 and Odyssey)

 While I really cannot comment on the differences internally with the software I can tell you that there are some (a very few at that) C06 boards with tunerless pots in circulation. Most all C04's, C06 and C07's have tuner pots (shiny metal adjustable frequency potentiometers) that can easily come out of tune to the 455KHz TMCC frequency if bounced around in shipping, etc. There are some C07's, all C08's, C11's and C13's have tunerless pots, meaning they withstand the bounces in shipping and are fixed to the 455KHz frequency.

 Early C04, C06 and C07 boards do not support the AUX1 + 8 feature in the program mode (to turn smoke on/off at 12VAC constant) the Late C07, C08, C11 and C13's do support the AUX1 + 8 program feature.

R4LC boards are for Legacy engines with the quilling whistle.

R6LC are used in Vision engines with more options.

STEAM

7 = Serial Data “UN” Inverted.  Keeps serial data on in conventional

4 = Front Headlight on all the time; Rear light directional

0 = Inverts serial data from R2LC to RailSounds

DIESEL

8 = AUX 9 Boost for Smoke (14V versus 12)

6 = Smoke out as CAB Light

5 = Smoke Output as pulsing Strobe

7 maybe for IR Tethered engines

3 for wired harness??

This was provided by Jon Z:

;SET OPERATING MODES
;(ONLY COMES HERE IF VALID ENGINE AND PROGRAM SWITCH IS ON)
;NOTE: THIS SECTION WAS REWRITTEN TO INCLUDE AUX1-8 AND 9 ON 3/22/99 BY RL.
;USING THE MODES BELOW, THE INVERSION ONLY TAKES PLACE IF AUX1-0 IS THE LAST
;COMMAND ISSUED. I.E. 7-4-0 WILL ENABLE COMM IN CONVENTIONAL, BE PUT IN STEAM
;MODE, AND INVERT THE SERIAL COMMUNICATION CHANNEL.

;NUMERIC 0 = INVERTED COMM OUTPUT
;        1 = STEAM MODE, NORMAL COMM., WORKING LIGHT
;        2 = DIESEL MODE, NORMAL COMM., AUX TRIAC
;        3 = DISABLE SERIAL COMM IN CONVENTIONAL (EXCEPT CHUFFS)
;        4 = STEAM MODE   NORMAL COMM.
;        5 = DIESEL MODE, NORMAL COMM, MARS LIGHT
;        6 = DIESEL MODE, NORMAL COMM, CAB LIGHT
;        7 = ENABLE SERIAL COMM IN CONVENTIONAL (SEND DIRECTION COMMANDS)
;        8 = DIESEL MODE, NORMAL COMM, SMOKE CONTROL
;        9 = NOT USED

Thanks G this is great stuff.

So, how do the 2 and 3 digit codes work then?

I don't really know.  I used the 2 digit in the Allegheny from K-line and it works fine.  My 28000 which are very similar to the K-line set up but 27ohm piston smoke instead of 27ohm fan smoke work the same too.  I don't no what inversion, on or off of serial in convention does.

I do think the "7" code had to do with AD-20 on the IR tether units.  G

I believe the Railsounds serial data is inverted for the wireless tether, which is what one of the secondary code digits does.

Bill,  Thank you for the input.  So if I use code 4 alone instead of 43 for my 28030 do I get additional features in conventional?  Or does it prevent the DC offsets from working in conventional?

This is not so much for trouble shooting but to understand what they do and why.

Part of my curiosity has been engines with the same set up of R2LC in engine, RS in Tender, wire tether and smoke controlled by AUX1 8 and 9 can have codes 4, 34, 43.  I believe 34 and 43 may do the same thing but I don't know for sure.

I understand the feature changes that come with Steam versus Diesel, etc....  G

Another to add to the list is the CO2 version. This was used in the 2000 series Alco's in 2000. Early DC motor version.

G,

Using code four on your 28030 might cause the tender light to stay on when running forward. Using the wrong code could cause the smoke unit not to smoke in reverse.

 There is a lot of variables, program one engine with the correct code, make notes on all functions and then program with a different code. Again make notes on what functions are the same and whats different. That might take awhile but if you can Get Mike or Jon to explain the differences, that might be easier.

Bill, Jon provided some of this, but I think it predates there joining the team, and some of the notes are not specific enough.  The last section is verbatim what Jon forwarded to me.

I will do as you mention first with my K-line Allegheny.  G

Well with code 43 in conventional the K-Line with Code 08 R2LC doesn't smoke as well in conventional as it does in command (expected).  It smoke in forward, puffs in neutral and doesn't smoke in reverse.  The headlight stays on, the reverse light cycles correctly, but stays on in neutral (both N before Rev and N before Fwd). Transformer Bell and Whistle button only work in conventional.

Command mode has smoke on full in F, N and R.  Lights cycle correctly, headlight always on, crew talk works, and AUX1 8/9 works for smoke.   Will see what a 4 does next.  G

Used Code 4 and the response was the same, though the smoke may have even been less, but can't say for sure.

What is interesting is this engine runs at a nice speed down at 7-8V which is why I think the smoke is so poor.  For conventional ops, it definitely needs a lower element resistance.  Command mode is fine.  G

Weird that yours doesn't smoke in reverse, as mine does.  Mine is the C&O cab #1601.