Any info on a Lionel PW tender shell in grey - and oil - not coal?

Think that is from the MPC (post 1970) era and not truly postwar.  It would have been a common tender behind starter set locos in the early 70's.  You can probably find a raised MPC logo on it somewhere.

Maybe toward your questions intent, the postwar coal tender is an 1130 type and so you may be able to use an 1130 frame if the new tender didn't come with a frame.  And yes, the 1130 was the little brother to the larger 2046 whistle tender of postwar years.

1990, Great Lakes Express 18611.

Dennis Holler posted:

Think that is from the MPC (post 1970) era and not truly postwar.  It would have been a common tender behind starter set locos in the early 70's.  You can probably find a raised MPC logo on it somewhere.

Maybe toward your questions intent, the postwar coal tender is an 1130 type and so you may be able to use an 1130 frame if the new tender didn't come with a frame.  And yes, the 1130 was the little brother to the larger 2046 whistle tender of postwar years.

Yes there is part number - not sure how I missed that...

1130-27
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on the inside of the shell

Ok - I had an old red stripe 1130-27 tender that came with the 249 - removed the shell - same part number

But this frame is too short - and will not fit without some extra modeling kung-fu

The grey tender is about 3/8 inch longer - but is not as long as the bigger 2671W version.

(Unless there is something odd about this red stripe tender...? - Maybe its the odd ball?)

Chuck Sartor posted:

1990, Great Lakes Express 18611.

Thank you Chuck - that's it!

I just noticed the embossed MPC-era Lionel logo too.

I also took note - the tender should have metal add-on handrails toward the back - and there are holes for those on this shell.

Hopefully I can track those down - although - I've never seen a tender like this with those details - so I might not miss them.

The color is close enough to my grey 221 - so I want to try this - the coupler will be problem though...something custom there.

This is the intended effect - tender might be bit high - but not too apparent.

Color is close enough for now.

I have a small quantity of those shells available, new old stock. Drop me a line using the contact in my profile if interested.

The part number is 691-8611-T07.
The correct frame is 690-8141-T10.

Here is a link to the Service Manual page for the tender:
Lionel support

Roving Sign posted:

This is the intended effect - tender might be bit high - but not too apparent.

Color is close enough for now.

As a fan of the 221 - in looks and running - I have often wondered about a better-looking tender for one of (I have a very small collection) mine, and in plastic, as an ERR AC Commander has also crossed my mind, as I have no idea how to signal-insulate the original ugly steel tender.

The tender above is indeed too big - especially too tall - but I think that the look is appealing, but not without lowering on the frame. That would look better anyway - it always does. As this is scratch building, you could make a frame and mounting arrangement in any design that you like. If you use some modern low-bolster Lionel/MTH/K-Line/Weaver trucks and a basswood or styrene frame made to your needs, it should look pretty nice.

The oil fuel is odd for a "NYC Dreyfuss Hudson" (of sorts), but so is the tender shell - it's a Pennsy(!) Turbine tender. Shocking! I have a little K-line (old Marx tooling shell) tender that came on some of their low-end steamers, and it is actually NYC in basic design. I may try this lowered if I ever get to it.

Keep at it. I like your intentions.  

D500 posted:

Roving Sign posted:

This is the intended effect - tender might be bit high - but not too apparent.

Color is close enough for now.

As a fan of the 221 - in looks and running - I have often wondered about a better-looking tender for one of (I have a very small collection) mine, and in plastic, as an ERR AC Commander has also crossed my mind, as I have no idea how to signal-insulate the original ugly steel tender.

The tender above is indeed too big - especially too tall - but I think that the look is appealing, but not without lowering on the frame. That would look better anyway - it always does. As this is scratch building, you could make a frame and mounting arrangement in any design that you like. If you use some modern low-bolster Lionel/MTH/K-Line/Weaver trucks and a basswood or styrene frame made to your needs, it should look pretty nice.

The oil fuel is odd for a "NYC Dreyfuss Hudson" (of sorts), but so is the tender shell - it's a Pennsy(!) Turbine tender. Shocking! I have a little K-line (old Marx tooling shell) tender that came on some of their low-end steamers, and it is actually NYC in basic design. I may try this lowered if I ever get to it.

Keep at it. I like your intentions.  

Actually - the stock tender also looks a bit high.

That's the thing with this loco - its so tiny!

It might as well be S gauge!

I have a little collection oddly small K-Line rolling stock that I plan on using with this.