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My current 3-Rail Layout is, and has been for a while, constructed of MTH Real Trax.  Beginning this afternoon, on the outer main line, all of the remote switches, and each of the lighted lock-ons, is simultaneously showing both red and green.  Even the remote control switches is showing both red and green, regardless of whether the track is oriented on the straight or curved position.

Several weeks ago, I began having some difficulty with a remote switch (of course, in a challenging place to work on).  The non-derailing feature began malfunctioning and, derailing the locomotive.   This occurred while running in command mode with 18 volts, or command mode, with conventional control.    In this regard, my Williams engines, and, some of my postwar inspired more current Lionel, do not operate with command control.

All of the switches are separately wired to a separate accessory terminal on the Lionel ZW-L (12-14v) that runs this layout.  No changes in wiring, or other modifications to the layout, have been made since last spring, and everything has been operating well, including track, switches, locomotives, etc.

Given the difficulty that I was having with the right-hand remote switch in derailing trains, I replaced the switch yesterday with a brand new "spare" that I kept for this purpose, since my Real Trax was purchased before FasTrack was even introduced.  

After replacing the switch track, I tested the switch (mainline) numerous times, and in both directions.  Everything was working fine, so I retired the old switch to its box.

Today, I am now having a problem with the lights showing both green and red on all of the switches, and all of the lock-ons, which lock-ins are spaced regularly around the layout to limit voltage drop.  I tried again reviewing the MTH Operator's Manual for The Remote Switch, and attempted to change the wires on several of the 5 screws on the side of the switch track.  Nothing worked.  I also checked the wiring to the transformer binding posts, and,  to each of the lock-ons, and switches.  The wiring is fine.

I did have to disassemble about 5-6 sections of track, and the switch track, to remove and replace the track.  I tried to be careful with the copper "loops" on the connectors for the MTH Real tracks during this disassembly and assembly, but this process isn't always an exact science.  It should be noted that my Lionel steamer that I have been running on this mainline, since the re-assembly of the mainline has been operating fine, By chance, most of the freight cars, and the caboose are lighted, and all of the lights have been lighted when track power is on.

Any suggestions for the reason that all of the remote switches, and each of the lighted lock-ons,  are all  simultaneously showing both red and green whenever the track power is on  

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Lighted lock-ons have 4 green lenses that are lit when the track is powered.  This is normal.

Their must be a gap on both frog rails to adjoining tracks for the switch to operate correctly.

When using track power, a jumper is placed across the two left-hand terminals of the switch.  The black wire from the controller goes to the center terminal and the red & green to the right terminals.  If powering the switch with fixed voltage, the jumper is removed.

Thanks, John!

I really appreciate your help.  As noted, this layout has been wired (including fixed voltage for the switches) for what may be more than 5 years now, and the problem arose when I had to replace a faulty right-hand switch.  

Given the awkward location of the switch, I did make the very serious mistake of removing the fixed voltage ground, and power wires from the 2 (of 5) screw terminals without carefully recording their precise placement.

Also, what does the jumper I have to remove look like?  Is that the 3/4 piece of copper (that looks like carpenter's "dental molding") packed with the switch track, or is it a  different "jumper" already inserted under terminals 1 and 2, since those terminals appear to be connected when shipped from MTH?  (Pages 9 and 10 of the below manual look helpful...)

Thanks again!

P.S.:  Hopefully, I have located the Operator's Manual for convenience:

       

https://mthtrains.com/sites/de...ction/40as17023i.pdf

Last edited by Dennis GS-4 N & W No. 611

Looking at the above manual, the descriptions and diagrams on pages 6, and 10 seem most directly helpful.

In this regard, Figure 9, on page 10, seems to fit squarely within your answer above.  

Now, I'll have to check to which terminal I have affixed the power wire, and, whether I have removed the jumper.  I do know that there was a "loose" jumper in the box, although the loose jumper looked like more than a "2 position" jumper.

Finally, do you know if leaving this jumper on would cause each of my four, fixed-voltage wired switch tracks to show both red and green simultaneously?

Thanks again!

P.S. Thanks for the reminders about the lock-on light....

Last edited by Dennis GS-4 N & W No. 611

Dennis, yes you are correct. The jumper is the dental molding thing. Make sure it's removed from under the screws if your using accessory power. The two screws closest to the lighted switch mechanism or mechanism slot, are for your accessory power. Looking at the diagram on page 6 of the manual it is confusing, because the drawing shows the jumper installed with the accessory wires also installed on top of the jumper. That's misleading until you actually read that the jumper must be removed for accessory power hookup.

Both the red and green lenses of the switch track are supposed to be lit at all times. But on your switch controller, only one should be lit.

Last edited by Dave Zucal

Thanks, Dave!  With the gracious assistance of you and Jon, I have this figured out, and, finally worked it out.

I too found the manual confusing - notwithstanding the well-designed diagrams, and the significant detail.  It was the "three prong" - two terminal copper jumper physically attached (imbedded) to the switch itself  that was the problem.  This is particularly true, since there is a brand new, "5 prong" jumper included in the box.  

I did realize a few minutes ago, after finishing the repair,  that both lights on the switch box remain on. It is just the lens color denoting the position of the switch mechanism that switches color from green to red.  Over the years, I have had a number of track systems, including Super-0, and I just didn't pay close enough attention.

Thanks again to each of you!

Last edited by Dennis GS-4 N & W No. 611

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