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Hey Guys,

I am about to install the Atlas Oil Pump, and the Lionel Automatic Gateman accessories to my layout.

But, the power wires on the Oil Pump are incredibly thin.  How are they going to handle a constant flow of 9 volts from a 100 watt transformer without melting??

As for the Gateman, this thing operates on a solenoid, which is triggered and held open for several seconds every time the train passes.     How is it that this solenoid is not going to melt if it is triggered every 20 seconds or so?

Thanks for any info.

(P.S.- The ugly Gateman figure will be replaced with a Marylin Monroe figure, holding a flag.)

Mannyrock

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At a given voltage, current flow is determined by the Load (resistance). Using the oil pump as an example, it might only draw (don't know exactly but lets say its probably less than 1Amp).  Even though your transformer has the capablity of delivering 100 Watts, it doesn't push current or that much wattage into everything connected to it.  The amount of current that flows in a circuit is what is drawn (pulled) by the load.  This is Ohm's Law: V= I x R, where V = Voltage; I = Current flow; and R = the load resistance.

These accessories and their stock wires should be designed to run just fine (following the instructions in the Owner's Manuals) under the typical operating conditions you've described without overheating.

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What about highly repetitive solenoid use on the Gateman?  Won't it overheat and melt if that train passes by every 20 seconds, 30 times in a row?.

Or what about a train that, for whatever reason, comes to a stop on the "trigger" device.

In the big scheme of things, solenoids are rated for either "continuous duty" or "intermittent duty" meaning exactly what the terms suggest.  I would be astonished if there is even a published datasheet specifying the operating characteristics of Gateman solenoid...but I'm fairly confident it would be classified as intermittent-duty.

Not quite apples-apples, but my paper shredder has an intermittent-duty motor.  It's not meant to be shredding paper 24/7.  If I run it too often for too long, it eventually overheats and stops.  But it is self-resetting so wait a few minutes and it starts shredding again.  Attached to the motor is a thermal cutoff switch.

ksd9700 nc thermal cutoff switch about a buck

So, for example, one could fasten such a switch to the Gateman solenoid mechanism and splice the 2-wires into the solenoid wiring as you would an on-off switch. You can get one for maybe $1 each in small quantity in your choice of cutoff temperature.  Coming up with a suitable cutoff temperature is another matter.

There are other components and methods to regulate or limit how frequently or for how long a mechanism operates.

There are similar accessory scenarios such as the uncoupling electromagnet in operating track sections with a jammed activate button or smoke units in rolling stock that melt the plastic shell if run too long.  I'd say that after reading many OGR threads, it seems the vast majority do not modify the mechanisms but become more mindful of over-using the accessory.

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