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Greetings,

 

This weekend I hooked up my first Powermaster. What a treat in running my older conventional Lionels! They ran more slowly and smoothly, and even the horns sounded better, at least the electronic horn kit that I have in my UP F3B unit. Williams units, too, showed improved performance and the Tru-Blast horns and bells worked fine.

 

I have an MTH Rail King RDC, and was only able to get it to run, no sounds at all. I was hoping to get it to be able to play its station stop scenario, in additon to horn, bell, and diesel sounds.

 

Any way to make it sound off under Powermaster Control, or will I have to stay conventional for it?

 

Thanks for any advice,

 

B&OBill

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The Lionel Powermasters were particularly "dirty" with respect to the AC sine wave they put out. There was a remedy that seemed to work on most Proto-1 locomotives and might work here. You have to get a NON-POLARIZED 100uF to 200uF @ 35 volt electrolytic capacitor and tie it across the hot and common leads of the output of the Powermaster. This smooths the output AC sine wave so that it doesn't confuse the MTH electronics. Again, use a NON-POLARIZED capacitor because a regular electrolytic capacitor will likely burst (or explode) when used with AC.

 

Hope this helps.

Before I got DCS I ran my RailKing RS3 and 2-8-0, both with Locosound, my Atlas/MTH Hybrid GP9 with PS2, and my RailKing NW2 with PS2, using a MTH Z-750, PowerMaster, and CAB-1.

 

Here's what I did to wire it up:

 

POWERMASTER “A” WIRE (FUSED) TO Z750 TRANSFORMER RED TERMINAL AND CENTER RAIL

 

POWERMASTER “U” WIRE TO Z750 TRANSFORMER BLACK TERMINAL AND OUTSIDE RAIL

 

THROTTLE ON CONTROLLER - MAXIMUM

 

POWERMASTER GREEN LIGHT - POWER IS ON

 

POWERMASTER RED LIGHT FLASHING - CAB-1 REC SIGNAL


Z750 TRANSFORMER PLUGGED INTO A POWER STRIP


 

Here's what I did to start/stop an engine:

 

TURN POWER STRIP ON

 

PRESS BOOST TO WAKE UP CAB-1

 

THROTTLE UP UNTIL SOUND IS HEARD

 

PRESS DIR FOR DIRECTION

 

THROTTLE UP TO MOVE TRAIN

 

AUX1 THEN 0 TO CUT POWER

 

TURN POWER STRIP OFF


This may not be normal, but it worked well for me.

Thanks, all, for your suggestions. I was able to get the RDC's to run fine, and the directional control worked well. Just no horn, bell, or other sounds.  I didn't know about the TPC unit differences, and have these three Powermasters to put to use.

 

I'll try Bob's method tomorrow night. Next, capacitor if Bob's method fails.

 

B&OBill

The early versions of the PowerMasters do not have roll off caps built in and this causes earlier version of the QSI sound boards to behave badly.  MTH and QSI added a "detector" to shut down the sounds if the locomotive was used with a power supply that has a sharp chopped sine wave.  Original QSI boards behaved very badly with the PowerMaster so shutting down the sounds wasn't such a bad thing.  The bi-polar capacitor that Matt suggested in the previous posts is a way to lessen the sharpness of the chopped sine wave and "fool" the detector circuit.

 

BTW, that same chopped sine wave is what allows your older PW loco's to run much better.  The technique had been used on HO/N power supplies for a while to get additional performance.  PowerMasters were released near the beginning of the release of the more elaborate sound systems which were mostly designed to run on sine waves output.

 

The newer PowerMaster MAY allow you to run with access to basic sounds BUT the CAB-1 itself can not generate the really short DC offsets to access all of the sound features in PS-1 and PS-1 loco's.  These features are accessed with Track Power Controllers by means of "macro" buttons that have been programmed into the device.

 

TPC's are excellent products.  They can handle more power (300 or 400 watts), support additional speed steps, and they have the macro sequences that allow a CAB-1 to triger shorter pulses to control additional features/sound effects.  They cost more that the PowerMasters AND they requires use of a Command Base and serial data cable.  TPC's have no radio receivers built into them.

Originally Posted by BANDOB:

Thanks, all, for your suggestions. I was able to get the RDC's to run fine, and the directional control worked well. Just no horn, bell, or other sounds.  I didn't know about the TPC unit differences, and have these three Powermasters to put to use.

 

I'll try Bob's method tomorrow night. Next, capacitor if Bob's method fails.

 

B&OBill

Bill,

 

I'll be glad to send you a couple of the correct capacitors. I'll drop three of them in the mail for you.

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