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      Is it me or is it difficult to find information on American Flyer 3/16 O gauge Prewar? I've been collecting AF Prewar 3/16 for a few years and have had little success in locating any information or others who collect this era. I go to several local train shows a year and rarely find anything in this era. I know the prewar 3/16 was only around from 38-41 and they had the zinc issue but I would think they would still pop up at shows. Any collectors of AF Prewar 3/16 O gauge out there?

 

Bruce

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Thanks for your replies. What I have found on ebay is sometimes not in the best condition. What I am looking for is some reference books showing sets and different variations such as colors. Would also like to find some sort of reference books that gives me an idea of what the value of each piece is worth. Any suggestions? 

This is book you need -- best reference box on the topic that I know about. Over the past ten or so years I have been fortunate to obtain a pretty fair collection of AF O in 3/16" scale.  It's been a lot of fun to collect.  I'm soon going to be adding a level to my layout dedicated to running those trains and accessories I've collected.

 

Another good source of reference is the catalogs found online at MyFlyerTrains.org.

Let me know if you have any questions as I've learned a bit (some the hard way!) about these toys over the years!

 

Happy hunting!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Rob's suggestion of Schuweiler's book (the 2nd edition) is an excellent one. Blessedly few errors. For those who might be interested, there is an eleven minute segment on Gilbert 3/16" scale trains for O gauge in TM's recent Toy Train Revue 3. These trains constitute a niche segment of collecting and operating and they rarely (if ever) appear in a commercial train video.

 

Bob

Intact 3/16ths O gauge Flyer trains are intact and out there.  I started picking some up maybe 20 years ago (after I'd rebuilt a fleet of prewar Flyer that had been donated to a museum).  Flyer 3/16ths is prone to zinc pest (which I've dubbed Dorfan's Disease in recognition of Dorfan's pioneering use of impure zinc when diecasting trains).  You're not likely to cross paths with an intact 574 NKP 0-8-0; legend has it there's an intact specimen from frame to drivers, but normally the frame is junk and the drivers crumbled/crumbling, theri shells often fall apart when screws are backed out - if you find one, it's pretty much a lock that it will have repro wheels which unfortunately are incapable of being allowing the engine to run as they're made from a pretty soft metal.  UP 4-8-4s tenders frequently suffer from shell rot, frames bowing or splitting apart, truck sideframes are prone to disintegrate, lead and trailing truck wheels on all the engines are prone to rot, diecast freight and pasenger cars warp/crumble - you get the idea.

 

That said, aside from the elusive 574 NKP switcher, it's possible to find intact/running examples of the rest of the diecast prewar Flyer 3/16ths O gauge engines and cars.  At this point, if it's intact, it's most likely going to stay that way.  Parts are available to repair engines (a lot of the parts showed up in the engines after the chassis/mechanisms were modified for 2 rail S gauge operation after WW 2).  Some parts like linkage have doglegs bent into them so they can extend around the wider O gauge wheelbase.  You'll pay a premium to get an intact UP Challenger (4-8-4), but the rest of the engines are obtainable for not too exorbitant prices.  

 

Running those prewar Flyer engines on 3 rail track always gets a look of "how'd you do that?" when folks don't know that Gilbert made 3 rail trains that were built to S gauge dimensions.  They look great pulling Marx 3/16ths O gauge tin lithographed cars (which look much nicer than the stamped steel cars Gilbert produced).  Flyer's diecast freight and passenger cars look very nice, but they weigh a lot and make it tough to pull a very long train; only a couple prewar 3/16ths scaled engines showed up with a traction tire.  If you're patient and willing to spend some coin a nice prewar Flyer collection can be put together, and they can be made to run dependably

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