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This is a continuation of my effort to develop the wiring schematic for my layout to make sure my ideas will really work.  My earlier posts looked at the overall wiring schematic with emphasis on the DZ-2500 switch machine set up for both manual and command control.  There are plenty of schematics for DZ-2500 installations as well as the similar DZ-1000.  The problem is there is no one schematic that shows all the functions I want:  Command Control through the Legacy base using the DZ-2001 Data Wire Driver, manual operation using a DZ-2502 controller button, non-derailing, and using the DZ-1008 relay on my #6 and #8 switches to alternate power on the lead rails to prevent my smaller engines from stalling on the switch.  I am using the 14 VAC accessory output of a Z-1000 brick to power everything; I can use the full Z-1000 transformer if higher voltage is needed.  All track power (TPC400s and TIUs) will be from PH180 bricks; the Z-1000 will power only the switches.

 

This post takes a look at a crossover using #6 switches.  The attached picture of the schematic only covers the crossover; all other parts of the electrical system have been removed.   If you are interested in how I hooked up the TIUs and TPCs, please see my thread last week on wiring the DZ-2500. 

 

Here are my thoughts:

 

-  I will program both switch machines with the same TMCC address so they will both function at the same time.  I will run each switch machine’s blue wire out to the DZ-2001’s white wire that runs around the entire layout.

 

-  The non-derailing function does not use the DZ-1008 relay.  I have hooked up the green and yellow wires from both the switch machines to common isolated rail sections on the switches.  There is an argument that the crossover connection does not need to be used since both switches SHOULD activate at the same time.  Since some forum members have mentioned the DZ-2500 does not always function I put this in as a safety measure.

 

-  The white wire from each switch machine will be connected to the white wire of the DZ-2502 button.

 

-  The DZ-1008 relay will be used to alternate power on the lead rails of both switches.  The green and yellow wires will be connected to the green and yellow wires of the switch machines. Track power for the lead rails will come from the blue wire connected to the center rail of the track.  Since I will operate in command mode 99% of the time, track power will be 18 volts.  The relay will alternate power to the appropriate lead rail through the gray and white wires.  I may have to do some trial and error to make sure the correct lead rail is powered for switch direction.

 

Wire connections in the drawing are shown by the dots, and the isolated track sections are shown by the gaps in the rail.  Any comments, especially pointing out the flaws, would be appreciated.  Thanks.  Ron

 

DZ crossover wiring

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I have tested the wiring in the schematic above (first post) and it does not work like I thought it would.  I set up the wiring as depicted but with no switches.  I tested the non-derailing function by touching the black wire shown to the common outside rail to the yellow and green wires.  I tested the relay’s function by using an ohm meter to check resistance between the relay’s blue wire and the gray and white wires.

 

Looking at the schematic above, I will refer to the switch on the far left as the Left switch, and the other as the Right switch.  Both switches are set up as SW 5 on the CAB controller and do work correctly when operated singly.

 

First off, if I do not have the Left switch attached, the Right switch works as advertised.  Also, if I remove the relay from the system it works as advertised but I lose the ability to power the lead rails.

 

When the two switches are set up as in the schematic to operate through one control button and the CAB, they do not work correctly.  I was hoping to get this working to save some money by not having to buy two DZ-1008 relays per crossover.  Here are the test results:

 

1)       When I press the controller button/SW 5 on the CAB both switches will switch normally (slow), but the Right switch will then quickly switch back to the first position then back to the correct position.  This back and forth action is very quick and is the same no matter which switch position (red or green light) the two switches are in at the start.

 

2)      If I disconnect the Left switch machine’s yellow and green wires, both switches work correctly through the one control button and the CAB.  However, I lose the non-derailing function of the Left switch.

 

3)      If I disconnect the Left switch machine’s white (button control) and blue (CAB control) wires, the Right switch machine will try to operate but always go back to match the Left’s position.

 

4)      If I disconnect the Right switch machine’s white (button control) and blue (CAB control) wires, the Left switch machine will operate normally but the Right will not throw until the Left has completed its cycle, then the Right will quickly move to match the Left’s position.  While I lose the slow motion function of the Right switch, this is an acceptable situation and may be my final configuration.

 

At this point if I want all the functions available with the DZ-2500 for both switches, I will either need to use the wiring setup in 4), or use two relays and set each switch up separately.  With two relays, the only common wire would be the white wire from each switch machine to one controller button.

 

I have several crossovers and I was hoping the attached schematic would work to save time and money, but it doesn’t.  My question is: Am I doing something wrong?   Or do I need to use two separate DZ-1008s to get what I want?

 

I’ve sent an email to Z-Stuff to get their opinion of my setup; I will let you know what they say.

 

Ron

Problem solved.  Dennis from Z-Stuff for Trains wanted me to check to see if both switch machines were the newer DZ-2500C.  Well, one wasn't.  I switched the old one out for a DZ-2500C that I took off another turnout.  Once both switch machines were the newer DZ-2500C everything worked as planned.  Now I just need to make sure my turnouts for each crossover are powered by DZ-2500Cs.  I'll put the old ones on my other turnouts.

 

Ron

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