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I have searched the threads and watched the youtube scenery videos about the best and easiest way to do scenery.  However, in my early layout construction, I "did it my way" and patience was not one of my virtues.  I now see the error of some of my ways.  But now I want to correct some scenic things without starting from scratch.  I should point out that my layout is a series of experiments.  So I always want to scenic so that I can just tear up a piece of paper kind of and start over w/o destroying too much if that makes sense.  My immediate problem areas are track tie coloring, and the areas next to the track and road bed. 

1.  What color combos are you favorites for atlas ties?  (As an experiment, I plan to rattle can the ties and thought about using a bunch of soda straws to cover the rails and slide them along.) 

 

2.  What do you use for a base next to the road bed especially between tracks in a yard ?  I have tried pieces of card board tacked down and then scenic'd but the card board eventually warped from shrinkage of the drying glue.  I had a little better success by using newspaper and cardboard underneath to build up contours and then gluing down just the perimeter edges of grocery bag paper along the layout edge and roadbed and then applying gravel, grass bushes etc. with 50/50 water glue.

 

Just looking for your expert advice.  Thanks.  

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Originally Posted by pennsynut:

I have searched the threads and watched the youtube scenery videos about the best and easiest way to do scenery.  However, in my early layout construction, I "did it my way" and patience was not one of my virtues.  I now see the error of some of my ways.  But now I want to correct some scenic things without starting from scratch.  I should point out that my layout is a series of experiments.  So I always want to scenic so that I can just tear up a piece of paper kind of and start over w/o destroying too much if that makes sense.  My immediate problem areas are track tie coloring, and the areas next to the track and road bed. 

1.  What color combos are you favorites for atlas ties?  (As an experiment, I plan to rattle can the ties and thought about using a bunch of soda straws to cover the rails and slide them along.)

Pretty good luck with Polyscale (Model Master) Railroad tie brown. Used to air brush the rail, overspray also covers the ties.

 

 

 

2.  What do you use for a base next to the road bed especially between tracks in a yard ?  I have tried pieces of card board tacked down and then scenic'd but the card board eventually warped from shrinkage of the drying glue.  I had a little better success by using newspaper and cardboard underneath to build up contours and then gluing down just the perimeter edges of grocery bag paper along the layout edge and roadbed and then applying gravel, grass bushes etc. with 50/50 water glue.

 

Just looking for your expert advice.  Thanks.  

 

I did a lot of work with strips of wood and Masonite as fillers, then used a flooring compound to contour the small grades .  

Click on the following:  Station Feed Store  Access an 83 photo slideshow.

 

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Your slide show is awesome Mike.  I am wondering about the flooring compound you used.  Is it real permanent or can or be somewhat easily removed?  My fear is that I might want to change something and it might be like the elmers super wood glue I use for permanent adhesion, that cures like granite.  

Your layout is great.  I have followed your projects in the past.  I have the same K-line switcher.  One of my favorites.  Thanks for your post.

Originally Posted by pennsynut:

Your slide show is awesome Mike.  I am wondering about the flooring compound you used.  Is it real permanent or can or be somewhat easily removed?  My fear is that I might want to change something and it might be like the elmers super wood glue I use for permanent adhesion, that cures like granite.   You are correct flooring compound is hard and durable.  Something a bit less permanent would be drywall compounds, or hydrocal, both soft and easily sand-able.  These compounds tend to shrink, requiring additional applications.  

Your layout is great.  I have followed your projects in the past.  I have the same K-line switcher.  One of my favorites.  Thanks for your post.  

You're Welcome 

 Mike CT  

 Ground cover material tends to be expensive.  The idea of filler material, and grade work before application of Ground cover is to minimize the cost of good quality final application products. IMO.  Mike CT

Station Feed Store

 

Base light brown paint is:

 Benjamin Moore & Co.
Interior/Latex/Flat N215   Regal Premium Flat. 
Base N215-3B Quart 
BK 6 1/2 shots
BR 2 3/4 shots
OY 13 shots

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I have studied various DYI youtube videos and of course forum recommendations.  There are many ways of scening with some similar basic steps. One element of my layout that needs help is the area between the tracks in some yards and sidings.  Home depot has 1/4 inch insulation foam in sheets that I think would work for the base.  It can easily be cut and shaped and it's light.  I can hot glue it to the layout surface between the cork or between the edges of the ties depending on the area and look I want, apply a dirt colored flat latex paint (should I thin the paint), and while the paint is still wet sprinkle sand and some grass to add variety.

 

My question is do you think the hot glue will hold the 1/4 thick insulation foam down with enough force to keep the foam from warping as the paint dries.  Previous tries with cardboard resulted in the edges curling up where ever it was not directly stapled.  With the foam I thought I would hot glue the entire perimeter to prevent that.

 

One reason I am asking is I have seen landscapers overlay the foam with plaster cloth or other coatings, spacklings, and tube goops to smooth and then apply scenic cover materials for hills, mountains and more vertical contours.  Others have just applied paint directly to the foam.  So, is the plaster coating over the flat foam necessary?  What are your thoughts?

Pennsynut.  I have tried Joey Ricards methods and I must say they are easy, simple and not very expensive.  I have taken down our old layout but in the planning stages of the new one.  I plan on utilizing a lot of his ways on the new.  That's just my 2 cents, I know on our old layout I put to much though and about every scenic express scenery down and I could not get the look that I wanted, then I did a little dio using Joeys method and was Impressed.  Good luck and post photos of your progress and folks on the forum can give you some good constructive criticism. Nick    

I use foam core between yard tracks. White glue holds it in place. Then, I seal it with an earth colored flat latex paint. Sealing it with latex paint is the key to keep it from warping when you apply scenery. Also, if you use white glue to adhere your scenery, it can be removed by re-wetting it.

For between tracks I have used cardboard, foam, or nothing, covered with tinted fusionfiber then ground covers.  For paved roads around tracks I have used painted MDF  concrete backer board and woodland scenics road bed painted.

 

MDF with painted HO woodland scenics roadbed

 

 

tinted fusionfiber with ground covers. Track rails done with woodworking paint pen

 

 

this photobelow shows the main yard, not quite done with ballasting. As a note ballast in yard tracks is often non existent or very minimal and very dark compared to main line.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by pennsynut:

I have studied various DYI youtube videos and of course forum recommendations.  There are many ways of scening with some similar basic steps. One element of my layout that needs help is the area between the tracks in some yards and sidings.  Home depot has 1/4 inch insulation foam in sheets that I think would work for the base.  It can easily be cut and shaped and it's light.  I can hot glue it to the layout surface between the cork  Why not use the cork roadbed you already have.  I would use a construction adhesive, PL 400 and staple the additional cork pieces in place until the construction adhesive set, over night. Note the cork under the switch motors.

  These pieces of  roadbed cork were shaped with a bench sander and installed under the Atlas switch motors.

 

My question is do you think the hot glue will hold the 1/4 thick insulation foam down with enough force to keep the foam from warping as the paint dries.    Previous tries with cardboard resulted in the edges curling up where ever it was not directly stapled.  With the foam I thought I would hot glue the entire perimeter to prevent that.

 

One reason I am asking is I have seen landscapers overlay the foam with plaster cloth or other coatings, spacklings, and tube goops to smooth and then apply scenic cover materials for hills, mountains and more vertical contours.  Others have just applied paint directly to the foam.  So, is the plaster coating over the flat foam necessary?  What are your thoughts?   A lot is a matter of what works for your.  Plaster tends to be neutral, like wood or cork,  and relatively easy to work with, Some of the foams and plastic materials don't do well with paint, as you mentioned.   

 

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