Has Lionel disabled the old K-Line website?

The site was maintained and created by a forum member, Mark who I forget his screen name. I know there was a Paypal donation link to help defer costs of the site. Maybe not enough support to keep site up? If it is gone for good, it's a shame.

The site has gone down a few times in the past, hope it is just temporary.

 

Mort

Besides, Lionel never owned the rights to the K-Line name, nor did they own the tooling.  Lionel only had a short-term agreement with K-Line's manufactuer to "market" K-Line products until other buyers could be secured.

 

Jon

Looks temporary to me, but hard to say.  This screen is returned.

 

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Besides, Lionel never owned the rights to the K-Line name, nor did they own the tooling.  Lionel only had a short-term agreement with K-Line's manufactuer to "market" K-Line products until other buyers could be secured.

 

Jon

 

Yes this is my understanding as well. We now see former K-Line products being marketed by other companies so perhaps Lionel will focus more on their own products in the future. As for someone buying K-Line outright; I believe that in this economy, its a long shot. During its tenure K-Line made some great products and second to Williams was the undesputed price leader.

MojoMark is/was his screen name.

Dose anyone know if there are people out there interested in buying the K-Line name and product line. I thought the tooling fell into international limbo when all the problems hit the fan.

 

 

Later,

Mario E.

Thanks Mark, I couldn't remember that this morning. He hasn't posted since 2008

I'm thinking things should be fine with the site. Looks like just a hosting problem. I'll get in contact with Mark (MojoMark) if the site still doesnt seem to be up.

Isn't RMT making K-Line products? I thought I saw K-Lines MP-15 in their lineup somewhere. Maybe I'm wrong.

As of now, this site is still accessible:

 

http://kline.lionel.com/

yes i think RMT is using making some cars from kline, with the quotes below looks like quite a few lines 

 

quote taken from RMTweb site

 

"Originally designed and produced by K-Line Electric Trains of Chapel Hill, NC in 1995, the 6400 series of box-stock and wood-sided reefer freight cars were clearly superior in many ways to any previously produced 6464 Series cars.

New metal details of seperate metal ladders and metal grab railings were superior to previous molded ladders and railings. It was now basically a completely re-tooled freight car with metal chassis, metal door guides, underbody details showing a prototypical airbrake system, operating couplers and metal wheels.

The Tank Car was originally produced in 1956 by Kusan and was updated by K-line in 1989 with a single dome top platform and similar added details.

 

Originally designed and produced by K-Line Electric Trains of Chapel Hill, NC in 1995, the 6400 series of box cars were clearly superior in many ways to any previously produced 6464 Series cars.

Originally designed and produced by K-Line Electric trains of Chapel Hill, NC in 1994, these streamline passenger cars were updated in 1996 to include complete interiors and illumination. K-line offered these cars as Baggage, RPO/Railway Post Office, Combine, Coach, Dome, Diner, Pullman and Observation body styles."

That's a different site than is being discussed.

The K-Line molds and tooling is now owned by Kader Industries by way of the Sanda Kan acquisition.  Kader is the parent holding company of Bachmann.  They have made products from this tooling available to Atlas, RMT and others.

 

The trade mark was abandoned on 2/4/2004 after failure to renew was made by Albert C. Ruocchio.

On 1/9/2007, the trademark was registered by Charles S. Ho of Barron & Young Intellectual Property of Kowloon, Hong Kong and was renewed on 1/11/2012.

The name and stylized lettering is a registered trade mark.

Registration number 73206488

 

K-Line by Lionel was always a marriage of convenience between Sanda Kan and Lionel.  Sanda Kan needed to move the merchandise that they were stuck with when K-Line failed to pay their bills and Lionel needed the cash (remember the MTH lawsuit) and had the means to sells the merchandise.

To me, it only seems logical that Sanda Kan sells off tooling to whomever might be interested in it.

Jim

Sanda Kan did not sell the tooling.  Kader bought Sanda Kan and is

now selling capacity using that tooling.  It is a smart play in that they are selling capacity for select series to the segment leaders.  For example, Atlas got the scale reefers.  

The link that Trains4Me2 originally posted is working OK for me.

4 a.m. here in York and yes, Jerry Nolan is correct! The site is back. That was odd, but I'm glad it has returned.

The error was a database connection error. Since this site is run by one person it's not surprising that it has occasional downtime.

 

This should be a reminder that this site isn't free to maintain. He has a donation button available for whomever would like to contribute. 

 

http://www.legacykline.com/app...tml?useraction=about

 

 

Another popular site is the Olsen's Library, and it's frequently down on weekends with a similar issue, it usually comes back on the first workday.

Anyone have the listing of hi-rail passenger cars the site maintained?  I'm particularly interested in the 21" Santa Fe cars.

Is this what you are looking for?

K-4630D	Santa Fe "Super Chief" 21" Passenger Car 4-PAC	$499.95
K-4630E	Santa Fe "El Capitan" 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC	$299.95
K-4630F	Santa Fe "El Capitan" 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC	$299.95
K-4630H	SF "El Capitan" 18" Hi-Level 4-PAC	$499.95
K-4630J	Santa Fe 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC	$299.95
K-4630K	Santa Fe 21" Hi-Level 2-PAC	$299.95
K-4630L	SF "Midnight Chief" 18" 4-PAC	$459.95
K-4630M	SF "Midnight Chief" 18" 2-PAC	$229.95
K-4630N	Santa Fe 18" Midnight Chief 2-PAC	$229.95
K-4630P	Santa Fe 21" 4-PAC	$499.95
K-4630Q	Santa Fe 21" 2-PAC	$249.95
K-4630R	Santa Fe 21" 2-PAC	$249.95
K-4630S	Santa Fe 21" Hi-Level 4-PAC	$599.95

 

Thanks Lou.  I think this one is missing from the list. Can anyone confirm?

 

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K-4630G	4630-40006	21"	Santa Fe "Super Chief" Sleeper "Chimayo"
K-4630G	4630-40007	21"	Santa Fe "Super Chief" Sleeper "Hotevilla"

 

I'm working to complete my collection.  I need several of the 21" 4630 series if anyone knows of some for sale.

You are correct .  The legacykline page listed it under unknown. 

K-4630G

Santa Fe "Super Chief" 21" 2-PAC

$249.95

If I remember correctly Kader, by Chinese law, can't sell the tooling and absolutely it legally cannot be taken out of China.  I think the former had to do with gray market stuff where someone would buy tooling and then export the products under the previous owners name.  Exporting tooling at all from China is illegal and there have been complaints filed with the WTO about it.

I have read all above and I am not understanding??? Is there a K-Line website? If so can someone post the link? I am not finding it. I have purchased whatever K-line related books I could find but there really isn't much out there, at least that I am aware of. I have only recently become a fan of K-Line die cast hoppers and gondolas but can't find info I am looking for. 

 

By the way, I have been into Lionel off and on since 1975 but really just got into it big time the last few years. Legacy and DCS got me addicted. I can't believe I only recently found this forum. I have spent the last few days reading as much as I can and everyone's level of sharing help and information is unbelievable! I am getting better at the search part so I don't ask same questions already posted. Forgive me if this has been asked and answered before. 

 

By reading all of you shared posts my confidence level in tooling around with my Legacy engines has increased greatly. Much appreciated. 

 

Jeff. 

www.legacykline.com/

There is Legacy K-Line, but it's off-line right now.  It's a one-man show, and he apparently suffered hardware failure and hasn't managed to obtain replacement gear to get it running again.

 

Here's from the main page, which is about all that's there right now.

 

In June, LegacyKLine.com was taken down due to a catastrophic hardware failure. While the data is backed up and available, I am still in the process of recovering hardware and software to support the site.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but the site will be unavailable until the end of August.

Chris beat me by 8 seconds.

Thank you very much for replies guys!!!  

 

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

 

I have been trying to do some K-Line research as well.  Unfortunately, LegacyKline.com is indeed down.  I stumbled across an archive of the site a couple of days ago. The archive is incomplete  i.e. some of the links don't take you to the page they are supposed to (some are just not there as far as I can tell), but it is better than nothing.  I found some useful info by digging around.  Try searching the archive using different methods. Sometimes you get different results.  It is a great way to lose several hours of your life as midnight came quick the night I was looking.  Here is the link to the archive:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/201...pps/kl/kline_ui.html

 

I wish someone had digitized all the old K-Line catalogs.  Anyone? I'm sure someone (in China?) would assert a copyright violation. LOL

 

Good luck!

Thanks for link. Took a quick look. Most likely will spend good bit time searching around there. Thanks again...Jeff. 

The data I provided was from the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine.

My K-Line Yahoo Group also remains as a reference point, and I've added pictures of K-Line Boxes through the years, and variations such as door guides.

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KLineTrains/

 

 

Ken

 

LegacyKline.com is now back on line....

 

Sorry for the downtime.

Hey Mark are you still taking donations to help you run the site?

I see a donation button, I think it's time I added some money.  Thanks for your efforts Mark.

 

Just sent you some loot, well deserved.

Great to see this site back up and running -- with images and everything!  Many thanks, Mark!!!

 

David