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Originally Posted by Apple & Spud Line:
Originally Posted by Bill Robb:

Back in the 50s the Illinois Terminal Railroad ran into St. Louis across the Mississippi from its southern Illinois hinterland.  CERAblog has posted three sets of mainly color images from a sweeter time.  Part 1.  Part 2.   Part 3.

 

 

How far into the hinterland did they run?

As of 1931 to Peoria, Danville  and Decatur. The dateis at the bottom of this map. Another map (circa 1974, post interurban) with interchanges. There is a brief history here.

Last edited by Bill Robb
Originally Posted by Bill Robb:
Originally Posted by Apple & Spud Line:
Originally Posted by Bill Robb:

Back in the 50s the Illinois Terminal Railroad ran into St. Louis across the Mississippi from its southern Illinois hinterland.  CERAblog has posted three sets of mainly color images from a sweeter time.  Part 1.  Part 2.   Part 3.

 

 

How far into the hinterland did they run?

As of 1931 to Peoria, Danville  and Decatur. The dateis at the bottom of this map. Another map (circa 1974, post interurban) with interchanges. There is a brief history here.

Thanks for posting the map.  They covered a huge territory.  

Between Danville as the Eastbound end of the IT and Paris Illinois there was a gap that at one point was to be closed between the THI&E and the IT.The latter ran to Indianapolis and the interurbans from there connected to Louisville KY,( IPS)  Detroit MI (LSE) and Dayton Ohio (CL&E). Many other cities were reached via the constituent lines.The Indiana connection was never built in favor of the McKinley Bridge ..another alternative was to the close the gap between Bloomington Il, and the isolated IT Valley Lines ( Joliet to Lasalle) to go all the way to Chicago...Auto parts used to run on overnight freight expresses between Detroit and all points on a train of express motors called the "Aeroplane" All in all it was an extensive system now forgotten..but fascinating.

 

 

Dale Jenkins "The Road of Personal Service" is the book on the IT as required reading. I have them all and this one is the best. Interurban history is another of my hobbies..has been for years

 

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Thanks for posting this map.  The coverage in the mid west was quite extensive.  Does the book have any schedules?  I wonder how long it took to get from one city to another... say Peoria to St. Louis.  
 
Originally Posted by electroliner:

Between Danville as the Eastbound end of the IT and Paris Illinois there was a gap that at one point was to be closed between the THI&E and the IT.The latter ran to Indianapolis and the interurbans from there connected to Louisville KY,( IPS)  Detroit MI (LSE) and Dayton Ohio (CL&E). Many other cities were reached via the constituent lines.The Indiana connection was never built in favor of the McKinley Bridge ..another alternative was to the close the gap between Bloomington Il, and the isolated IT Valley Lines ( Joliet to Lasalle) to go all the way to Chicago...Auto parts used to run on overnight freight expresses between Detroit and all points on a train of express motors called the "Aeroplane" All in all it was an extensive system now forgotten..but fascinating.

 

 

A typical timing for Peoria to St Louis was around five hours as I recall it. The Illinois Terminal also had nightly sleeper service between these two points on “The Owl” which the IT also provided between other points in the system. The Interstate Public Service ( later folded into the Indiana Railroad) had a sleeper service between Indianapolis and Louisville KY. The only two interurban roads to do so. Miraculously, one of each sleeper still survives preserved. on at IRM and over on the West Coast.

 

IRM has the largest collection of ex IT passenger equipment.

Photos of their IT roster are available on their website.

 

 

 

 
Originally Posted by Apple & Spud Line:
Thanks for posting this map.  The coverage in the mid west was quite extensive.  Does the book have any schedules?  I wonder how long it took to get from one city to another... say Peoria to St. Louis.  
 
Originally Posted by electroliner:

Between Danville as the Eastbound end of the IT and Paris Illinois there was a gap that at one point was to be closed between the THI&E and the IT.The latter ran to Indianapolis and the interurbans from there connected to Louisville KY,( IPS)  Detroit MI (LSE) and Dayton Ohio (CL&E). Many other cities were reached via the constituent lines.The Indiana connection was never built in favor of the McKinley Bridge ..another alternative was to the close the gap between Bloomington Il, and the isolated IT Valley Lines ( Joliet to Lasalle) to go all the way to Chicago...Auto parts used to run on overnight freight expresses between Detroit and all points on a train of express motors called the "Aeroplane" All in all it was an extensive system now forgotten..but fascinating.

 

 

 Heres a video best watched with the bizarre soundtrack music turned off...it shows a meet between interurbans and diesel freights.

 

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John
Its a great read..the chapter on Wilson's tenure as president of the road during the diesel era and his turning around the situation to black ink is worth the price of admission. The secret Santa Fe plot to buy the IT by a dummy corporation is another one.My fascination with the road was that they ran steam, interurbans and diesels all at the same time on a road that while vanished outside of St Louis had at one time over 500 miles of main line. Its amazing to me how few know the interesting history of this unique road but interurbans are still under the radar of most.
 
 
Originally Posted by jay jay:

Yes, we lost a good thing when we lost the interurban network. Thanks for the book recommendation....I need to get that!

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Yes, thanks, Bruce; I'm looking forward to reading it. It is funny, but growing up in Chicago, the only railroads I paid attention to "way back when" were the ones in and near my neighborhood. The large traction system downstate escaped my attention. However, I do have a distinct mid-50's memory of seeing some of the interurban  cars on one of my father's "obligatory" rides down US 66 to see the Lincoln sites. I didn't know what they were, of course, because I was 5 or 6 at the time.

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Well, I still wonder, at the peak of the traction era, from how far east, say New

York state through Cleveland?, to how far west...maybe just west of St. Louis, could

you have once traveled by interurban lines?  I do know tractions was or is operating

in Iowa and Oklahoma until recently.... Ohio and Indiana had lines running all over them...maybe so with Illinois.  You could get from Cincinnati to Cleveland, not fast, and maybe not directly, by traction.

Originally Posted by colorado hirailer:

Well, I still wonder, at the peak of the traction era, from how far east, say New

York state through Cleveland?, to how far west...maybe just west of St. Louis, could

you have once traveled by interurban lines?  I do know tractions was or is operating

in Iowa and Oklahoma until recently.... Ohio and Indiana had lines running all over them...maybe so with Illinois.  You could get from Cincinnati to Cleveland, not fast, and maybe not directly, by traction.

I recall a book written decades ago, relating an interurban trip from New England to Chicago or Milwaukee, using an almost unbroken network of interurban lines. Does anyone recall the title or author?

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Originally Posted by Apple & Spud Line:
Thanks for posting this map.  The coverage in the mid west was quite extensive.  Does the book have any schedules?  I wonder how long it took to get from one city to another... say Peoria to St. Louis.  
 
 

There is a February 1950 Official Guide timetable  for the Illinois Terminal on The New Dave's Electric Railroads hosted by Tom.  This is the map and  timetable.

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Originally Posted by Bill Robb:
Originally Posted by Apple & Spud Line:
Thanks for posting this map.  The coverage in the mid west was quite extensive.  Does the book have any schedules?  I wonder how long it took to get from one city to another... say Peoria to St. Louis.  
 
 

There is a February 1950 Official Guide timetable  for the Illinois Terminal on The New Dave's Electric Railroads hosted by Tom.  This is the map and  timetable.

Wow!  That's a lot to digest.  The New Dave's Electric site is really cool.  Thanks for sharing!

Gee, looking at that site with all the traction is depressing. I just think of all the

infrastructure, tracks, concrete bridges, all gone, and difficult to even find evidence

of now.  In Ohio between Zanesville and Columbus there is the only traction tunnel

in the state, in Blackhand Gorge.  The cars used to have picnic excursions to grounds up on top of the tunnel.  Now you tippy-toe around because timber rattlers like to sun

up there. But, of course, it is hard to find evidence of many rail lines, which also ran

everywhere.

Originally Posted by Bill Robb:
Originally Posted by Apple & Spud Line:
Thanks for posting this map.  The coverage in the mid west was quite extensive.  Does the book have any schedules?  I wonder how long it took to get from one city to another... say Peoria to St. Louis.  
 
 

There is a February 1950 Official Guide timetable  for the Illinois Terminal on The New Dave's Electric Railroads hosted by Tom.  This is the map and  timetable.

I emailed the New Dave's website to my mom.  She grew up a block from a street car line.  She found pictures on there of the street cars she rode as a girl.  

Originally Posted by colorado hirailer:

Gee, looking at that site with all the traction is depressing. I just think of all the

infrastructure, tracks, concrete bridges, all gone, and difficult to even find evidence

of now.  In Ohio between Zanesville and Columbus there is the only traction tunnel

in the state, in Blackhand Gorge.  The cars used to have picnic excursions to grounds up on top of the tunnel.  Now you tippy-toe around because timber rattlers like to sun

up there. But, of course, it is hard to find evidence of many rail lines, which also ran

everywhere.

I bet there are remnants all over the place out there.  Roads were probably built over some of the routes or bridges.  My Great Grandfather built bridges in Southern Illinois back in those days (late 1800s-early 1900s).  When I drive back roads and fly low I always look for old routes of roads, railroads and trails.  

Originally Posted by electroliner:

John

Here you go..2,000 miles.Another good read..Larry has published quite a few interurban books. The one on Interstate I just purchased..Their bridge route over into Kentucky dwarfed the McKinley Bridge. Its now a pedestrian bridge....just like the IT high line.

http://www.busmag.com/product/...-interurban-charter/

 

For many years this structure was truly a bridge to nowhere as the approaches were removed. I remember seeing this bridge as a child crossing I-65 into Louisville, KY and always wondered why were the approaches removed. Its nice to see that it is used again for bike traffic.

 

Ken

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