Installing smoke unit ,pwc fm diesel

It would probably help to know what kind of room you have, can you take a picture with the shell off?

I have a C/NW FM with ERR board. It has a TAS smoke unit that is working. I have looked for smoke units that would work with the ERR boards but can't find any. So .... I tried the TAS smoke unit and it worked.

Lots of smoke units will work with the ERR boards.  The one issue you have is getting synchronized chuffing with fan driven units with steamers.  ERR has a new product that does not yet appear on the website called the Chuff-n-Puff, it synchronizes the fan with the chuff switch.

 

For diesel installations, you can use the MTH PS/1 board, that's one that I've used.

 

Attached is the schematic for the Chuff-n-Puff, I suspect you'd have to call ERR to order this as it's not on the website yet.

 

john,thanks for the info.i m leaning towards a lionel fan driven unt 610 8057 200.has a black and red wire.my engine # is 6-18321 pwc nj central with ac motors.can the smoke unit plug into the mother board,looked at several schematics,seems to plug there .any thoughts ,thanks rich

Nice thing about the FM is the smoke would be continuous so no "Puff n Chuff" needed. Just hook up the fan to a 5 V DC supply.

 

Pete

The nice thing about the PS/1 smoke unit is it has the power supply for the fan and runs on variable voltages.  Some Lionel smoke units have the 5V regulator as well.

Rich

 

   Pins # 5&6 on your radio board are AC hot for smoke. Do a continuity check between  pins 5&6 and the pins in the white connectors. When you find the one for smoke, you can plug in to that one and will be able to turn smoke off & on with the remote.  Also we have the  610-8057-200 smoke unit and connectors at discount prices.

 

Bill

 

 

BILL

thanks,another smoke unit # 610-8375-200,which is fm diesel 6-18375,square version and funnel # 610-8341-029.which of the 2 would be smaller ,if ordered ,do i go to your web site,

thanks rich

 

The 610-8375-200  is a  8 ohm smoke unit and requires a AC regulator. The

610-8055-200 is a 1/4" longer and the 610-8275-200 is a 1/4" wider. Send us a email.

 

Bill

thanks everyone.i m assuming i have the right conn 6 pin white plastic conn,.pin 1 2 go to headlamp 3 4 open 5 antenna pin 6 open.according to the schematic from lionel this is not correct,it shows pin 2 and 4 as being used,rest are open. i have a 610 8057 200smoke unit from a friend,bought it and does nt need it.engine #6-18321.any help,as to where to go next to hook this up.after relooking the schematic ,looks right .still need some direction,wiring schematic pdf

thanks rich

morning,checked open pins ,3 4 constantly hot ,even with engine off.i have a wiring schematic attatched,would appreciate some direction,i m lost.not savy on these tmcc electronics ,postwar not a problem.

thanks again rich b so jersey

I m assuming i can hook up the smoke unit ,hot roller and ground ,with an on and off switch,just need 5 v for the fan ,having trouble locating that source any ideas would be appreciated

thanks rich

There should be an output from the board for the smoke control from the R2LC, that will supply the hot lead for the smoke, and frame ground is the return.  The diagram is a bit fuzzy that you linked, and that locomotive doesn't have a smoke unit.

 

Pin 10 & 22 are common on the R2LC and feed the smoke unit.  Measure from those pins to the connector to find the pin on the MB that feeds the smoke unit.  Connecting the smoke unit to these pins will allow remote control of the smoke unit, something that I personally wouldn't be willing to forgo.  In the worse case, if you can't find the pin on the motherboard for the smoke, you can connect directly to the connector that holds the R2LC.

john

on the mother board i have a 6 pin conn 1 2 are for lighting ,3 4 were empty ,i put a light in these 2 pins and i can operate the lite from aux 1  8 on 9 off.according to the overlay that would be smoke unit on a loco and ditch lights on a diesel.5 is antenna wire 6 is empty.am i on the right track.that diagram is for this engine and no it does nt have smoke,am adding.

thanks for your help

rich b

You have indeed identified the smoke outputs.   Do you notice the light gets brighter when you hold down the 9 key?  That would be the smoke boost.  You will have to program the R2LC for a diesel with smoke to see that behavior.

Sorry,1 more question,smoke unit has 3 wires 1 hot for smoke 1 hot for fan and a ground.i saw jumpers from lionel that tie the 2 hots together than run the 1 hot and ground to the mother board would this be correct.also reprogram for diesel with smoke #8 does brighten the bulb.thanks again for any info.i believe the 2 pins on board put out 12 14 volts under tmcc.

rich b

If the fan is separate, does it actually have the fan regulator on-board?  You may need a source of 5VDC for the fan.

it is 1 unit #610 8057 200 ,don t know about the regulator.how can i tell .?

It appears to have the regulator on-board.  I have one of those, it appears you could separately control the fan for synchronized chuffing using the 3rd connection.  The connector pin closest to the side of the board is the fan supply, and there's a diode, cap, and regulator for the fan motor.  If you want it to run continuously, as is likely the case here, just connect the outside two pins on the three pin connector together.  The unit has a 27 ohm resistor and should have no problem with full track voltage.  Truthfully, you may want a lower value smoke resistor if you are unhappy with the smoke output.  I don't get a lot of smoke out of it at lower voltages.  The TMCC board puts out half-wave DC for normal smoke and full-wave AC for boost at 12V.  The half wave results in pretty low smoke production from this unit.  OTOH, at 18 volts from a transformer, it smokes really good!

 

 

JOHN

i would like to thank you for all of your help and for sticking with me ,on this.

thanks rich

by the way ,i did build one of your weinermobiles,love it.

      

Happy to help, good luck with the project.

 

by the way ,i did build one of your weinermobiles,love it.

And you didn't post pictures?  Shame on you!

I have a American Models E8 which I have installed ERR commander and sound, just got the 610-8057-200 smoke unit to install. I see you have covered most of the points quite well but i wanted to verify. the two outside pins on the three connector on the smoke are power to smoke and fan, while the center pin is ground. The regulated smoke out put is kinda low but you can increase through the controller. or you could wire track voltage for max output. Right? If we want to make the smoke synch with motor speed there is a puff and chuff from ERR for Steamers or all ?  Excellent thread thank you all.

Here's the puffer announcement and a schematic of what is on the board.