I have a chance to buy a cylindrical hopper that, according to my research, the stock number was duplicated. The item I have an opportunity to buy is marked 6-27537, including on the box. However, that number also comes up as a UP flat car. I found some information that it is correctly listed in the Price Guide, but I haven't seen that myself. I know if you search it on Lionel's support site, it comes up as part of the Canadian Pacific Diesel freight set. The main site returns no information at all on that number. Can anyone tell me what the cylindrical hopper is worth?
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I guess it would depend on the perspective of any buyer. As for me, I would say no. I would not pay a dime more for the car. But, that's me.
Here is one on Ebay.
Plus there are two more completed sales. One went for $79.99 and the second went for $26.
The $26 listing says: "This was part of Lionel 31772 set and is being offered for separate sale."
IMHO, if you find the car interesting because Lionel used a duplicate number, then perhaps you should purchase it. If you are thinking it's going to appreciate, I'd say the odds are against that, but I certainly could be wrong.
I don't think anything new is collectable anymore. Simply too much out there.
Rod Miller
If this is the car from the grain train set then it has an operating ETD on it. I have the set, but I don't have access to it now to verify the number. I wouldn't call any modern train collectible, but this may have the added feature if it is indeed from the set.
Thanks for all the input. As I already own this particular hopper, in the other stock number, I believe I'll pass. Save my money for something that won't be a repeat.
Its not the first time its happened. Example is the 6464-625 N+W pink hopper (Should be 6446-625) and the 6464-625 Soo Boxcar.
A lot of us here have walked this road several decades ago, where variations of rolling stock were "documented" to the N-th degree. For example, whether a box car door was one color over another, or a decal was black on one car but white on another, etc, etc... To this day, I wonder whether these items were documented just for the sake of documenting by those who loved the hobby of collecting... or whether it was all a ruse to set higher prices for those variations consider to be more scarce than others.
Good to hear you passed on this, because I personally see no innate value to it "just because" of the duplicate stock number. Arguably, there is just no critical mass of toy train enthusiasts who gives a hoot anymore about rolling stock nuances or variations. We've all evolved in this hobby at different times, but I think it's safe to say our expectations are very different today than they were in the 1980's. And as buyers, we've changed. Indeed, given the glut of toy trains on the market today, I'm actually amazed that the importers continue to have more stuff manufactured each year to add to the existing glut. There is no way that the current market can absorb the amount of product being imported into the States nowadays.
David
Very good observation David. There is an old saying a builder told me when I was a kid working for him, "too good is no good".
I would try to build everything like it had to last a hundred years when all the customers wonted was for me to patch the dumb crack in their wall and get out.
Sometimes less is more.
The real Union Pacific Center Beam flat cars built by Thrall Car had the words
UNION PACIFIC
CUSHIONED LOAD
on the Center Beam, but somebody at Lionel forgot to put them on the car.
That lowers the value of the car, since it needs decals to make it look right.
Andrew
A lot of us here have walked this road several decades ago, where variations of rolling stock were "documented" to the N-th degree. For example, whether a box car door was one color over another, or a decal was black on one car but white on another, etc, etc... To this day, I wonder whether these items were documented just for the sake of documenting by those who loved the hobby of collecting... or whether it was all a ruse to set higher prices for those variations consider to be more scarce than others.
Boy, both of the reasons you give have a fairly negative tone in my opinion.
I don't think anyone goes to the trouble to document variations just for the sake of documenting.
When true collectors do in-depth studies of particular items, its because they are interested in them. Lucky for the rest of us, they are willing to share their observations with the rest of us.
I think there are people who either do their own studies, or more likely just leverage the studies of true collectors in order to set higher prices.
And the price guide publishers certainly benefit from the identification of variations and price shifts because these events help sell new editions.
What is over documented to one person, is fascinating information to another.
I never let price guides, reference books, or others in the train collecting community tell me what to collect. I've always collected what was of interest to me, and paid what I thought was a fair price, based on my experience.
Its more collectable only to the person collecting duplicate stock number cars. A feature variation would have far more potential for collecting.
There have been many numbers repeated, including pre war and post war, trains, cars, and some accessories. The number hasn't effected the value on those.