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Without really knowing what a Pullmor motor was, I purchased a Lionel Alaska Alco AA set 6-38224, from the 2010 catalog.  While I knew it was conventional and did read the word "Pullmor" when ordering it, I didn't understand how different that is - until it was on the track.  Runs different and sounds different than a can motor, and it's pretty basic with just horn, bell, and a single light bulb in the powered unit, and no lights or pick rollers on the non-powered unit.

 

Truthfully I was a bit disappointed at first, but the distinctly different sound is starting to grow on me.

 
And for anyone who can tell me, it this just like a Lionel Postwar Alco? 
 
Alaska RR Alco 1200

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Postwar Alcos were originally high end diesels that were significantly cheapened as Lionel's sales declined and the firm sought to cut costs and lower prices.  I can tell you the high end characteristics and you can see what you got (I am honestly not sure which one you have).

 

The high end Alcos had die cast frame and fuel tank, and I believe the front skirt was part of the die cast frame.  They also generally had two axle magnatraction, and a horn, plus three position E unit.  The diecast frame, together with the magnatraction, makes them nice runners.  The later, cheaper Alcos had a plastic fuel tank, stamped metal frame, and the front skirt was plastic and part of the overall shell.  I also believe there was no magnatraction although they had traction tires which makes them decent pullers. 

 

If you got a lower end Alco, I wouldn't worry too much about it.  I have the same loco from the MPC era (sans horn and bell) -- my parents bought me the Amtrak Lake Shore set in the 1970s.  Not a terrific locomotive but after recently taking out of the box and thoroughly servicing it, it runs reasonably well and is quiet.  Yours is probably at least as nice as this one, plus it has a horn and bell, front coupler, and likely runs better with the benefit of an electronic reversing unit.  It probably has magnatraction too, I would guess.

 

If you think you would still like a higher end Alco, you can find the original postwar versions.  Also, Williams (not sure if WBB makes them anymore, probably not) made very nice postwar Alco reproductions that have all the features of the original Lionel high end Alcos, but with a can motor(s), horn and bell (Trueblast II).  Williams has made these in the original Lionel schemes and additional schemes as well.  Finally, Lionel's newer CC Alcos (Rock Island, UP) I believe have pretty much all the high end postwar features. 

 

The smaller Alcos are nice locomotives if you have a smaller layout.  They also look nice with the 2400 series passenger cars. 

 

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Thanks RAL.  After reading your post I took a closer look and can confirm the following. 

 

Leading truck has magnatraction on the back axle

Leading truck has traction tires the front axle

Plastic front skirts and plastic fuel tanks

Stamped metal frames that reinforce the plastic front skirt
Non-operating truck mounted couplers

3 pickup rollers, 1 on the front truck, 2 on the back

 

Link to the Lionel catalog page below.


http://www.lionel.com/Products...neID=&CatalogId=

 

My plan is to pair these AA units with a set of four Lionel Alaska Streamliner 0-27 Passenger cars (6-29041) that I have. 

 

My layouts have always been small, and likely always will be.

 

http://www.lionel.com/Products...neID=&CatalogId=

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I bought this Alco pair when it first came out.  Good-looking paint scheme, but mine was a terrible runner- extremely noisy, jackrabbit starts and stops no matter what transformer I used.  I ended up returning them and buying a WBB 2023 set- a world of difference.  The Williams units are built like the high-end Lionel postwar units, but with two can motors. 

I hope you got a better set than I did, they're nice-looking engines.

Your Alaska engines are pretty close to the 'premium' Alcos offered between           1957-1960. The Major difference is the power truck is now in the front of the engine instead of the rear. Of course the reverse unit and horn are now electronic instead of mechanical. They still have, as you have noticed, a AC powered "pulmor" motor.

 These 'newer' Alco's are much better than the ones made in the 1990's with small DC can motors in the trucks, and they sat so high on the trucks it looked like the bodies are on stilts.

  Some of the Pulmor Alcos like yours may need some minor tweeking on the armature (a known flaw well discussed here), others run like silk.

 Personalty I like the reruns, (New Haven, Santa Fe passenger and freight versions, M&STL, Alaska, and several others.)

 One thing I noticed in your picture, is that you have the engines on MTH's track.

 If you are running on MTH track, the rails are Nickel and your engines have magnetic wheels and axles,(no traction tires)and won't pull a whole lot and will run noisier than on Lionel track.

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Mike - it seems to be smoothing out as I run it more, cleaning my simple loop of track helped too!  Transformer is MTH Z-1000.  It is noisy but in a different way.  It was the paint scheme that sold me.  I also just unpacked a Williams 2343 F3 AA set purchased on the forum, and what a difference, that locomotive starts up slow and smooth.  Not to mention that it's a beauty.

 

Jim 1039 you nailed it on the horn!  We wife's comment was it sounds like a car horn.  Well at least it's loud and distinct, not "muddy" sounding like some others.

 

Chuck thanks for the information.  I found out the hard way that the Hawaiian climate needs nickel silver track, tin plated track rusts within weeks.  No magnatraction, but lack of room keeps my layouts small and trains short anyway.

 

Alan

 

 

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Post pictures w/ your shell removed. It looks pretty good!

 

Some of the PW Alcos (like my PW #221 Santa Fe) are about as basic as they come. Some didn't even come with headlights, plastic fuel tank or a plastic windshield. They could be as simple as a single color molded shell secured to a stamped steel frame w/ a single screw in the rear. Motor would drive a single axle w/ a single traction tire and if lucky maybe a 2 position e-unit.

 

Others like say the UP 2023 were pretty loaded as described above.

 

I'm curious:  Could a modern era pullmor motor/truck be retrofitted to a basic stamped steel frame PW Alco?

 

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PGTR - maybe these photos will help answer your retro-fitting question.  The shell comes off with a single screw on the back.  The reinforcing metal for the front skirt is a separate piece attached to the inside of the shell, not part of the metal frame.

 

Hmm, those gears look a bit dry...

 

Alan

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Judging from the photo ADCX Rob (thanks!) posted the internal layout in the 2010 Alaska Alco is close to that PW version, but with stamped metal frame. 

 

And this Rock Island AA set from the 2014 Signature Edition catalog lists a die-cast metal frame, headlight/number board lighting in both units.  MSRP $399 for both units.  #6-38371.

 

http://www.lionel.com/Products...neID=&CatalogId=

 

And the US Marine Corp A unit from the 2014 Vol 2 catalog lists a stamped metal frame, MSRP $299 for the A unit only. #6-38357.

 

http://www.lionel.com/Products...neID=&CatalogId=

 

MSRP for my Alaska AA set is $299.

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Originally Posted by ADCX Rob:

       
Originally Posted by prrhorseshoecurve:
Boy that stinks the motor is now in the nose and cab. So much for a cab interior.


       


Rob,

That's the earlier postwar Alco diecast frame.  The late postwar versions were sheet metal steel, as the subject Alco in this thread was based on but the sheet metal versions also had the motor mounted at the rear so that left the inside of the cab open so one could detail the cab interior if they chose to.  Now it seems that Lionel has the motor in the front on the sheet metal frame reproductions as evidenced in the subject locomotive in this thread.

If you want to check out some nice and really nice 027 Alco FA's, see K-line's 

and Williams/WBB, respectively. Can motors. The Williams is constructed more like

the original Lionel version - without the Pullmor, of course - plastic body, heavy

die-cast pilot and frame. The K-line/Kusan version actually has better shell tooling.   

 

I liked my WBB AA set so well that I upgraded it to command/cruise/sound.

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At the train store where I shop, there are two Lionel boxes containing AA sets of ATSF

FA's. They look and sound almost like the old school type Lionel's. Now, I am hardly the expert up in here and I am sure there are quite a few members that know allot about these, but it appears to me they replicate their ancient cousins fairly well.

 

I like them, but they are too small for my layout and get drowned out by all that GE power I now have.

 

Pete

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