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Hello Everyone,

I search the "Want to Buy" section each day with the intent to help members find their item-sharing locations, shops, or other forum member's who are selling items I know about.  I know I've helped at least 7-8 members find an item.  I get great joy in knowing forum members 'found' an item with my help.

Well, karma returned the favor today.  I went to an estate auction and believe it or not, there weren't many of us there.  All of the bidders were hardcore collectors; except me.  They didn't mind sharing their opinion, if I asked for it or not, either!  I looked through the trains and couldn't believe my eyes-a lot of hard-to-find, rare, O Scale items at 'no reserve.'  There was Lionel, 3rd Rail, Ross, Gargraves, Weaver, K-Line and MTH.  (Sorry david1, no black FEF.  Doug, there weren't any 3rd Rail Early Challengers either).  If their were, I'd bought them and sold them to you guys at the auction price-I know you've been looking forever for these items.  You wouldn't have been disappointed-saw a 3rd Rail UP 4-12-2 sell for $495 (NIB)!

I didn't plan to buy much-figured the collectors were going to drive the prices beyond my range.  But after the first few auctions (I watched NIB MTH Premiere 5 car passenger sets sell for under a $100-and there were several more sold at that price!) I began bidding.  I got a K-Line die-cast car NIB for under $8!  That opened the 'flood gates' and I bought 22 items, all NIB.  My favorite buy was a giant track lot.  Even after paying the buyer's premium, it was a fantastic deal. Would've bought more but couldn't get it in the truck! Had to put the windows down to fit a few items!  My poor Lab had frozen slobber on his face when we got home!

My wife was floored with the deals I got.  Lucky she supports my antics...

On the drive home, I couldn't help think maybe all those days of e-mailing strangers, (members of this forum I've never met before) with information about items may have been 'fate' for me to find these deals(?). 

Whatever it was, fate or not, I'm extremely thankful/happy with how it worked out; I found items I never dreamed of ever adding to my collection and for pennies on the dollar...can't beat that-a once in a life time event. Sure felt good to 'scratch' those items off my 'must have' list!

And, don't worry, I'll still keep helping people find items they want.  That's what the forum is for-helping each other, making new friends, and enjoying our toys!

Have a great Christmas and hope everyone has a safe rest of the year!

Updated 12/17:
I've been waiting to update with pictures when all of my items arrived from shipping.  There was a shipping issue but the last box arrived today!


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Above:  This is the stuff I shipped, I forgot to get a full truck picture!

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Above:  My "Ultimate K Line Buy" is what I called this box.  All of these are BNIB.

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Above:  Track lot.  The crossover needs some work, but I got all this so cheap I was still money ahead to buy it.  The crossover and 4-ways sets are used, the rest is new.  Not pictured here is a box of Gargraves flex track (51 pcs).  All for less $72!  It's not my intent to brag, but I couldn't pass this deal up! This Lot is what really opened the flood gates!

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Above: UP K Line 21" Passenger cars.  These are the reason I went to the auction.  Bidding was heavy on all 21" K-line passenger cars, no matter the road name.  Bidding was fierce on a few.  These were the only road name I wanted.  There were other road names and lots of rare K Line passenger cars (stuff I've only saw in catalogs or on the forum).  I really wanted these to complete my collection.

It's hard to see in the picture, but the boxes are pretty worn.  However, the cars are NIB!  See below!

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Above: The Chair Car.

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Above:  The hard to find Placid Haven Car.

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Above:  The very rare Flat End Dome Observation Car.  Never ran, NIB.  The newest 'prize' in my collection!

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Above:  Lionel 2-8-0.  I'm ashamed to tell you guys what I paid for this one.  I couldn't believe there was no interest in it during the auction.  NIB. It'll get a lot of extra detail parts and some weathering (some day..).

There's a lot more stuff I didn't have time to post.  May post more later.

Like I said, I'm not trying 'blow off' about this, I just want to share my excitement with fellow OGR Members.  So thankful for what I was able to buy that day.  I hope you all enjoy the pictures.

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Originally Posted by rtr12:

Good story, glad you got some great deals. That probably won't happen too often. Good to see someone really excited about buying some trains.

Thank you!  You're right, probably won't happen much!  Very excited about the items I bought, always great to get a new train.

 

Originally Posted by rockstars1989:

I have always believed that when you give and do good to others,it comes back to you 10 fold.Thank you.Nick

Well put!  I can't agree more!

 

Originally Posted by C W Burfle:

Congratulations. I gave up on auctions long ago because the trains almost always went for more than they were worth. Once in a while I do pick something up at an Estate sale.

I'm not an auction buyer either.  I just lucked out at this one.  Glad it worked out though! 

 

Originally Posted by Bob Severin:

Sometimes the gods smile down upon us, and bequeath us with our just deserves.   Good for you.  A nice story, with a good ending.

Bob, thanks!  Not sure I deserve it, but I'm really happy!  As Clint Eastwood says..."Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it!"

 

Originally Posted by Matthew B.:

Congratulations! Keep doing what you're doing and enjoy your Christmas.

This was my Christmas!  Hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas.

 

Originally Posted by CoulstonR:

congrats!

Thank you, sir!

 

Originally Posted by Passenger Train Collector:

Good for you. I, like you, try to help as many Forum members as possible find items they are looking for. It is one of the fun parts of our hobby.

 

Did everything fit in your vehicle? 

Brian, I know you do, you have helped me in the past.  I'd been looking for some certain Lionel UP passenger cars!  Thanks again!

 

There were some K-Line UP passenger cars in this lot...

 

And, no, not everything fit in the truck.  I had to leave my Lab as collateral while I went to FedEx to ship some items.  That's a story in itself!  

 

When I got back, my Lab was laying next to another guy's stuff!  Well, the guy was rubbing his back so I can't blame him-I'd done the same!  

 

I'll post pictures when everything arrives.  

 

I'm so happy and thankful for (a) having a job to buy this stuff, (b) the great deals, (c) a nice day, (d) an understanding wife and (e) having some of the things I've always wanted.  Life's good here. 

 

Merry Christmas!

 

 

Here are some more:

 

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Above: K-Line caboose.  NIB.

 

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Above:  MTH Coal Hoppers (6 Pack).  NIB.

 

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Above:  MTH FLVD Car.  NIB.  Another 'gotta buy it because the price is so good" item!

 

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Above:  Another picture of my beloved K-Line UP Flat End Observation Car.

 

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Above: K-Line PFE Reefer.  NIB.

 

The interesting thing about this stuff is the boxes ranged from mint to tattered.  Luckily, the trains themselves were as described, mostly new.

 

As you can tell, I'm a Union Pacific fan!

 

 

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Congratulations!  I know how it feels to look for something for a long time and then not only find it, but get it at an unbelievable price.  That is one of the great pleasures in this hobby for me and there are many varied things I love about it.

 

The K-Line 21" UP cars are great!  That is a real find.  I have the 18" versions and love them, but want to upgrade to the 21" ones some day.

 

Art

Originally Posted by Chugman:

Congratulations!  I know how it feels to look for something for a long time and then not only find it, but get it at an unbelievable price.  That is one of the great pleasures in this hobby for me and there are many varied things I love about it.

 

I was incredibly lucky to find all of this great stuff at these prices.  It may be a once in a lifetime event!  Like you, I love finding items I'm searching for, even better when it's at great prices.

 

The K-Line 21" UP cars are great!  That is a real find.  I have the 18" versions and love them, but want to upgrade to the 21" ones some day.

 

There were some 18" versions for sale during the auction.  I watched 3 of them, NIB, go for $80 total-I still don't know why I didn't bid on them.  Guess I was so shocked I couldn't place a bid!  How I regret that! 

 

The K-Line cars are really getting expensive, both 18" and especially the 21" cars.  

 

Originally Posted by Alex M:

Congratulations and good for you, you got some really great deals!!!!!!!!!!

 

You're a good person who deserves it, i always see you helping folks on the forum

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you

 

I would like to know your first name I don't see it listed anywhere

 

Thanks,

Alex

Thanks, Alex.  Very kind of you.  I sent you an e-mail earlier introducing myself.

 

Originally Posted by Steamer:

nice scores

Thanks!

 

Originally Posted by Adriatic:

Wow! Glad I asked and glad you are easily persuaded  

With "quick shots" like that, you're one notch closer to the next "karma set" already 

Very classy .     ........Yea, you too I guess

 

Merry Christmas!

I know-you had to twist my arm, A LOT!  Very nice comments, thank you.

Originally Posted by Spence:
Congratulations on all of your new purchases. "Enjoy"

Spence, I shipped via UPS!  HAHA!

 

Originally Posted by L.I.TRAIN:

Nice pick ups!! 

Thanks !

 

Originally Posted by 69nickeycamaro:

i always believe that Karma plays a big part in our lives. you have done a lot for others and received good Karma for you efforts. that is a lesson many of us should take to heart. congratulations on you finds!

Thank you, I truly enjoy helping other members and learning from them.

 

12/18 Updated with more pictures:

 

Found time to unpack more trains!

 

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Above: Another JLC Challenger (NIB) with a K-Line 21" Dome Coach.  I didn't need another Challenger, but I couldn't let this one go.  With all those K-Line UP passenger cars, I needed another Challenger to pull them-At least that's what I told the wife   She wasn't impressed 

 

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Above:  ZW with (2) 180 Watt Powerhouse Transformer.

 

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Above:  (4) 180 Watt PHs.  I now have all the power I'll need for the new layout.

 

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Above:  MTH UP 50 Ft DD Boxcars, 2 different 6-Packs.  NIB.

 

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Above:  Better picture of the 6-pack.  

 

The rest of the stuff is odds n' ends.  This may be the last of the pictures.

 

Hope everyone enjoyed the pictures.

 

Thank you for all the nice comments.  Everyone have a great Christmas!

 

 

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Originally Posted by CincinnatiWestern:
Would you mind listing out the UP K-Line cars? Individual car number and description? Those are really something, great find

Thank you

Here you go:

 

 

K4690-40001UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED Sun Cape Sleeper #40001 21"
K4690-48001UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED Dome Diner #8001 21"
K4690-45813UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED RPO Baggage #5813 21"
K4690-47006UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED Dome Coach #7006 21"

 

K4690-40002UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED PLACID HAVEN PULLMAN CAR 21" 
K4690-46206 UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED CLUB LOUNGE CAR #6206 - 21" 
K4690-45331UNION PACIFIC ALUMINUM EXTRUDED CHAIR CAR #5331 - 21" 
K4690-49002UNION PACIFIC EXTRUDED ALUMINUM SUN FLAT END DOME OBSERVATION CAR #49002 - 21"

 

Note: The Placid Haven Pullman does not have a number shown on the car itself. It's the only one like that, see picture below.

  

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Hope this helps.  Thanks for your question, they're really something to see in person!

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Originally Posted by mixerman:

thanks for sharing! threads like these are so much more interesting than the ones we been getting lately,[ which way does your train run?-what time of day does your train run?-where does your cat go potty on your layout?,etc]-jim

Thank you, we should have some new VL BB threads in the near future!

Originally Posted by CincinnatiWestern:
Thank you so much for the car list, I cannot agree more that they are outstanding cars.

You're welcome!  When I started searching for these cars, it was hard to find an accurate list of what cars were actually made.  I looked at K-Line Legacy site (or something like that) and saw some listed.  However, I don't believe some of the information is accurate and have sent the webmaster information to update it.

 

As far as I can tell, the cars I listed are all of the K-line UP 21" cars made.

 

The sleeper, dome coach and dome diner were sold in a 3 pack.  The other cars were 'add-on' models.

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86TA355SR, I totally agree with you. You did nothing wrong. IMHO, the relatives of the poor guy who passed away took the easier road. They didn't want to be bothered by taking the time and effort to figure out what the trains were worth and selling them on their own through eBay or some other venue. And then having to ship them to the various buyers. I can see their point of view. That is a lot of work and effort but for sure they would have made more money. It's a shame the poor fellow didn't have a close friend who could help the family sell the trains. Bottom line is they new the rules going in (I assume the auction house explained everything to them) and you played by the rules. Fair is fair. 

 

Congratulations on your awesome score! I'd much rather see someone get a good deal like you did rather than someone where they just want a good deal so they can flip it and make money. You will use the trains and enjoy them. Correct? I'm sure that fella will be happy to look down on your layout and see them running.

 

Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Hudson J1e:

86TA355SR, I totally agree with you. You did nothing wrong. IMHO, the relatives of the poor guy who passed away took the easier road. They didn't want to be bothered by taking the time and effort to figure out what the trains were worth and selling them on their own through eBay or some other venue. And then having to ship them to the various buyers. I can see their point of view. That is a lot of work and effort but for sure they would have made more money. It's a shame the poor fellow didn't have a close friend who could help the family sell the trains. Bottom line is they new the rules going in (I assume the auction house explained everything to them) and you played by the rules. Fair is fair. 

 

Congratulations on your awesome score! I'd much rather see someone get a good deal like you did rather than someone where they just want a good deal so they can flip it and make money. You will use the trains and enjoy them. Correct? I'm sure that fella will be happy to look down on your layout and see them running.

 

Just my opinion.

Thank you.  I appreciate it.

 

And, I'm really enjoying the trains.  His collection made me extremely happy and completed many of the items I've wanted for years.

 

You know, when I pass, I really want someone to enjoy my collection.  I've left detailed instructions with my 'ol lady to make sure that happens.  A fellow UP fan will love my items and I can almost see his/her smile now...

 

I'm sure it'll bring them as much happiness as I have had...

To be quite honest, i could care less if you bought it for a penny. Clearly you do, but no one cares,  I sure as hell don't.  
 
You just made yourself out to be a saint with your karma statement.  Opinion.  No reserve auctions are the seller's risk.
I just wondered how you felt your good karma was for the people who sold them at auction. No remorse at all...excited.  I'm enjoying the trains and the great price.  Fair market.  Lots of bidders and I was the high one.
You have to remember that most of the time having good luck is at the expense of someone else receiving bad luck. Not my problem. Free market.  Life's tough. They choose to sell the trains, I merely provided the revenue at national fair auction price.
 
Negative comments-no surprise.  

 My Grandfather did nearly the same on occasion.

He offered what he wanted to pay that day.  

 The original owners could by them back at cost, anytime, and checked with them again before he sold them.

 No saint, but a heck of a nice man.

 

 

I could be wrong, but I get the feeling I could end up with a similar situation negotiating with you "86". Nice respectful haul.  

 (coming from the mouth of one who had his life long designated A-B-B-A inheritance literally taken, even after a specific NO was given. All during an already raw deal for Grandma from a "best friend" who told her it was a "square deal" price)(the GG-1's alone, a few sealed, one a 1st year GG. He bought one of each, & two of a few, new, and had 14 +boxed non-ran (but just the never opened, were worth what the joker "paid" for everything. $3 average per piece, engines included. Then he sold most of it, lying as Grandma tried to even buy back some of what he took, that he shouldn't have! Very little was recovered from him. Just a few low buck items of mine.

 The guys buyer(s) a mystery

Boo hoo. At least I got a story, and stuff to look closely for at shows. 

  (I'm pretty sure Dave of YT Train night at Dave's has the pre-war brick paper on pressboard, Jefferson Transformer "Powerhouse" [with the missing roof]. I caused one of those rips  But repaired the porch light)

 

And maybe the estate proceeds, just went to the state. 

 

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we always hear "buyer beware". but shame on the seller that doesn't do some research. when we had our will drawn up, I told my Mrs and my daughters that when I go, don't just sell my stuff off without finding out what they are worth.



 

This is an old thread, but I'll comment anyway.

I don't think it would have mattered whether the folks handling the Estate knew the theoretical value of the trains unless there was enough stuff to handled by a specialty auction house, or if they were willing to take the time and effort to sell the stuff by themselves.
And even that is no guarantee of getting top dollar. I've purchased and seen many other bargains on EBay. It all depends on who is looking when the auction is going on.
Same can be said about live auctions.

"86" wrote that there were a few other train folks there. He just wanted the stuff more than anybody else.

Incidentally, when I attend a live general merchandise auction with trains, often the non-train folks present over-estimate the value of the trains, driving the price above retail.

Finally: since you were the high bidder, the trains would have gone for less had you not been there, and purchased them.

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