Lionel PS-1 Boxcar List w/photos

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Originally posted by CandO:

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Originally posted by Lima:

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Originally posted by Larry Neal:

Chris, with your list and the additions that others posted in this thread, I come up with 62. I haven't gone through Ed's list above yet to see if I missed any.

Here's my list without photos:



PS-1 Type Listed as Express Boxcar
27249 Great Northern Express
27250 CN Express
27251 Western Pacific Express
27266 PRR Express

Great information. It would have been really sweet if they had produced a scale woodside caboose! (and NOT the NYC one!!)
I believe at least the 27251 Western Pacific and 27250 CN Express cars are not PS-1 cars. Lionel product info is many times misleading or incorrect, there may be others as well.
Do all the box flaps say PS-1? That may be an addition to your list.
Great work by all here.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Lima. This was one of the questions Chris had in his original thread. They look like PS-1s but aren't listed as such. So he gave them their own heading which I thought was a good idea. I don't have any of those express or the PostWar Scale 6464 cars to do a side by side comparison with a PS-1. It is hard to tell with the catalog/website images.[/QUOTE]



Don't have the information on hand, but I believe they are AAR or some other cars. They are more like the Atlas box cars.

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Originally posted by Dreyfuss Hudson:

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Originally posted by Jim S:

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How moronic is Lionel not to issue multiple road numbers with cars such as the SP Overnights and such.

Funny, I've often wondered why that is. MTH, does it, Atlas does it, Weaver does it. You'd think Big L would sell more of an item if it was offered in more than one road number.

Yeah, especially for trains that ran 20 or 30 of the same exact car. For the people buying one, it wouldn't affect them, for the people who want to buy several - boy it is dumb.

But it has saved us a lot of money! NO duplicates and NO (ill conceived) consecutive numbering purchases. Do you find it interesting AtlasO, MTH, and Weaver can do 2 or 4 different car numbers but Lionel cannot?

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Great information. It would have been really sweet if they had produced a scale woodside caboose! (and NOT the NYC one!!)
I believe at least the 27251 Western Pacific and 27250 CN Express cars are not PS-1 cars. Lionel product info is many times misleading or incorrect, there may be others as well.
Do all the box flaps say PS-1? That may be an addition to your list.
Great work by all here.

Hi Lima,
On Lionel's website the PS-1 Boxcars are listed as being 11-1/2". The PostWar Scale 6464 boxcars and the Express Boxcars are listed as 11-1/4".

One of the reasons that I had thought they were PS-1s is because some of the PW Scale an Express cars are listed on the secondary market as PS-1s. This includes eBay and some dealers. For example on eBay, right know, is a listing that is titled "Lionel PS-1 boxcar 2-pack Scale 6464".

I will remove the scale 6464s and express cars from my file, the next time I update it...or I may leave them on a separate page in the file. Thanks again.

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Originally posted by SIRT:
My favorite four…

SIRT,
Excellent weathering on those three cars!
Of the 20 PS-1s that I have, the Wabash car is one of my favorites too. My other three favorites would be the

17296 brown C&O

17291 Rock Island

27273 Ann Arbor

I'm glad Lionel has cataloged a State of Maine PS-1.

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Originally posted by CandO:

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Great information. It would have been really sweet if they had produced a scale woodside caboose! (and NOT the NYC one!!)
I believe at least the 27251 Western Pacific and 27250 CN Express cars are not PS-1 cars. Lionel product info is many times misleading or incorrect, there may be others as well.
Do all the box flaps say PS-1? That may be an addition to your list.
Great work by all here.

Hi Lima,
On Lionel's website the PS-1 Boxcars are listed as being 11-1/2". The PostWar Scale 6464 boxcars and the Express Boxcars are listed as 11-1/4".

One of the reasons that I had thought they were PS-1s is because some of the PW Scale an Express cars are listed on the secondary market as PS-1s. This includes eBay and some dealers. For example on eBay, right know, is a listing that is titled "Lionel PS-1 boxcar 2-pack Scale 6464".

I will remove the scale 6464s and express cars from my file, the next time I update it...or I may leave them on a separate page in the file. Thanks again.

Keith,

I'd bet Lionel used the PS-1 tooling for the express cars but labeled them BX because only a few railroads bought the Pullman PS-1 car for express service. It came out in 1952 about? Many express cars were homebuilt, or AAR design, or built by Canadian Car & Foundry. (Had the chance to view the Lionel CN express car yesterday next to their WP silver "Feather" car and they look to be produced from the same tooling.)

Those "Post War replic" PS-1 scale cars must have a unique market. Is there a huge demand for a scale car with a fantasy paint job? You mention the listed different lengths, are they actually different lengths? Can someone who has them tell us? Seems like a lot of tooling money for 1/4" These are some beautiful cars, would at least two numbers of the accurate ones have doubled their sales?, seems a lot of dealers have plenty of old stock left.

I was just looking around at some good photos of some that are for sale on eBay and others. It has to be the same tooling. Also, while looking up info on each car on Lionel's site, I found there are different lengths listed for even cars labeled as PS-1s. Above, Dtrainmaster(Dave) mentioned about some having the roller bearing trucks and some having friction bearing trucks. The 17275 NYC Pacemaker is listed as being 12". So I guess the size difference must be from the trucks coupler length.

When I update, I will enter the length given on Lionel's site unless I know the size for sure. I will leave the Express and PW Scale 6464 cars in the file. I am also going to reorganize the file...one column(instead of two). Images will be on the left and info on the right.

All right I am a little lost. Can some one post the most complete list? In advance a big thank you. These are the best value in the market for box cars. They are small enough for home layouts and still look correct on club layouts.

Ray Marion

Another great feature of the Lionel PS-1 and PS-2,4,5 cars is the trucks have the least rolling resistance of any brand at 3 grams. I can easily pull 50+ of these with a switcher. They also roll very slowly on my 1/2% grade hump yard. It takes about 28 seconds for a car to roll 15 feet.

I emailed Lionel regarding the tooling for the PS-1, Express, and PostWar Scale boxcars.
Here is the reply:

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Dear Sir,

Regarding the boxcar types you specified, our marketing team confirms that though they are close in size, there is individual tooling for each of them.

Thank you,

Lionel Talk To Us

I updated the file again.
**LIST UPDATED 4/29/2011 8:09PM Eastern:
LIONEL__PS-1_with_product_info..zip

I included some info that members provided in this thread.
I decided to keep the Express and PW Scale 6464 cars at the bottom of the list. They are on separate pages.

Now each car has some info to go with it.
As an example, the 17292 Boston & Maine car has it's image on the left and the following listed:
Boston & Maine
Road Number: 76182
MSRP: $54.99
Length: 11-1/4”
Catalog: 2004 Volume 2
8’ Superior Doors
Includes Box Load

I also included a Check List as page one. That way it could be printed and carried to a train show/meet if desired.

I still have to go through some of these and put for sure which type/size door and if box load was definitely included. The Polar RailRoad PS-1 lists box loads, but was not delivered with them. Another car on the list shows Lionel's web image with a 6' door but it did come with a 8' door. I will try to find an actual photo to replace it.

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Originally posted by Ray Marion:
All right I am a little lost. Can some one post the most complete list? In advance a big thank you. These are the best value in the market for box cars. They are small enough for home layouts and still look correct on club layouts.

Ray Marion

Hi Ray,
sorry if I caused confusion...just trying to find out if are all three types of cars were actually PS-1.
This seems to be the complete list(with Express and PWS 6464 at end):

17275 New York Central(Pacemaker)
17276 Cotton Belt
17277 Rio Grande
17278 Western Pacific
17288 New York Central
17289 Great Northern(RED)
17290 Seaboard
17291 Rock Island
17292 Boston & Maine
17293 Illinois Central
17294 TP&W
17295 Santa Fe
17296 C&O(offered with locomotive purchase)
17297 Union Pacific(offered with locomotive purchase)
17298 Southern

Uncataloged Century Club II set 31731
17299 Virginian
27200 Wabash
27201 CNJ
27202 Reading

27210 Pennsylvania
27211 Katy(MKT)
27212 Rutland
27214 Chessie
27215 Rock Island
27216 Erie Lackawanna
27217 Frisco
27222 Santa Fe
27224 CGW DF
27225 Western Pacific
27226 New Haven
27227 Union Pacific
27241 C&O
27242 Lehigh Valley
27243 Southern Pacific
27244 Great Northern
27263 Polar Express - PRR
27265 Virginian
27271 B&O(B&O 2 pack 27270)
27272 B&O
27273 Ann Arbor(from Marquette Freight Set)
27275 Southern Pacific
27277 Western Pacific(part of Feather Route Freight Set 31796)
27298 BSA(Union Pacific)
27452 Northern Southern/ PRR
27453 Norfolk Southern
27856 KCS
27876 State of Maine
27886 Great Northern(Blue)
27893 Grand Trunk Western

52310 TCA Museum PS-1(bright yellow car that matches other cars in their "work train." From 2004)
52325 Seaboard (TCA)(came in the 52312/52314 TCA "50th Anniversary" sets from 2004)
52483 Rutland (TCA)
52438 Southern (TCA) (2 car set)
52444 Southern (TCA)

PostWar Scale 6464 Boxcar
27292 M&St.L (2 car set 27286)
27293 Rock Island
27284 Western Pacific (2 car set 27283)
27285 Great Northern

Express Boxcar
27249 Great Northern Express
27250 CN Express
27251 Western Pacific Express
27266 PRR Express

Unless I am missing it, I don't see the SP OVERNIGHT car. (Express car).

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Unless I am missing it, I don't see the SP OVERNIGHT car. (Express car).

27243 Southern Pacific (silver)
27275 Southern Pacific (black)

That's another reason that I don't think there is any difference in the 4 cars listed as Express cars.
I have pictures of those (not the catalog ones), and they look the same as the regular PS-1s to me, even the PRR car that has X-29 on the side.

Keith

Thanks for the list. I know its a bit of work.

Ray Marion

Here's my latest PS1 customization.

Dreyfuss, nice customization.
I have the TP&W car and really like it. I'm hoping Lionel does another road number.

Thanks, as far as road numbers I think decal makers will be the only resource - unfortunately. Great thread, thanks much.

Keith,

First of all thank you for putting together this great resource. I've really come to love certain rolling stock models and the Lionel PS-1 is definitely one of them.

Out of curiosity would others find it useful if we pooled our research capabilities and determined how prototypical each of the cars is based on roadname and number (e.g. Model (should it be a PS-1?) and Paint Scheme).

I've really started to trying to research each car I am considering to try to determine how prototypical it is.

If this is of interest to anyone I can start by confirming that the CNJ is definitely prototypical and when I get back from my business trip I can probably confirm the LV as well.

Does this interest anyone else?

Bravo, Keith. It looks like you've got the complete list so far, and I agree that the express box cars and 6464's should be separated. One minor correction: I believe the 2-pack number for the WP and GN 6464 cars is 27283, not 27285 (which is the number of the GN car).

Chris Dunn

A labor of love. Thanks, Keith & Chris.

Thanks Chris...I just corrected the 27283 set above. I recently found the correct set number and have right on ny computer. I will update the file soon. Included in the next update...I am changing some of the catalog images to my photos of the actual models. I just need to photograph all of mine. Some look much different than the catalog image...especially the color of the Ann Arbor car.

Stelios, I think it would be interesting to find out which ones have a prototype.

Keith, Chris

Thanks again for all the work. I am sure there are many who will appreciate the list. Hopefully all will thank you again.

Ray Marion

Thankks to Keith, Chris and everyone else for gathering this data. Your efforts aided me in identifying and locating a pair of these cars.



I also have the C&O, Frisco and Reading cars.

I like what SIRT did to the Frisco car.

We have to start a drive to have Pullman-Standard's first PS-1 40' Boxcar produced.


Andrew

Great idea, Andrew. Does someone know someone at Lionel who does product development whom we could get this to?

Chris Dunn

FWIW for those few who care about such things--

The B&O Railroad never applied the blue and orange "Timesaver" paint shceme to a Pullman Standard PS-1 Boxcar. That scheme was applied to the 1937 AAR designed boxcar made by the Pressed Steel Corp. The end corrugations are different on the PS-1 and 1937 AAR cars. The roof design may be different as well.

Atlas O did produce the AAR Timesaver car in four road numbers for Dunham's Toy Trains in London, Ohio as a special run. He may still have some.

Atlas car.



Lionel car

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Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Thankks to Keith, Chris and everyone else for gathering this data. Your efforts aided me in identifying and locating a pair of these cars.



I also have the C&O, Frisco and Reading cars.

Very nice! The Sentinel car us one that I have been hoping to find in a set break-up at a good price. Thanks for the info on the Time Saver car; I did not know the paint was incorrect for a PS-1...I just really like the Sentinel boxcar.

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Originally posted by CandO:

Very nice! The Sentinel car us one that I have been hoping to find in a set break-up at a good price. Thanks for the info on the Time Saver car; I did not know the paint was incorrect for a PS-1...I just really like the Sentinel boxcar.

Here is one that is selling for about $3 off retail pricing, which was $140 for the two car set. Not much off but they're a bit hard to find.

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Originally posted by falconservice:
We have to start a drive to have Pullman-Standard's first PS-1 40' Boxcar produced.


Andrew

Well this car definitely gets my vote. Even in the black and white photo, it's a good looking boxcar.

CandO--

Check your email!

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Originally posted by ChessieMan:
Here is one that is selling for about $3 off retail pricing, which was $140 for the two car set. Not much off but they're a bit hard to find.

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CandO--

Check your email!

Thank you ChessieMan! I ordered the one you emailed about.

Keith,
Tried downloading your pdf, but unable to do so. Could you email me from the email in my profile? I also love to collect the PS-1's, if you are missing any pics let me know and I may have the car in question and can pop a quick pic for you.

Thanks,

Steam Loco Greg,
You have mail.

Thanks. I still have to take some time to photograph what I have and swap them with the Lionel images. After I do that, I will come looking for other member's photos.

I received the B&O two-pack last week. They look very nice.

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Originally posted by ChessieMan:
I received the B&O two-pack last week. They look very nice.

...and my B&O Sentinel car arrived. Looks great. Thanks again

For anyone that doesn't already have them, Charles Ro just sent out an email for their "Spring Cleaning Sale" and the B&O PS-1 2-car set is only $79.99 That is a very good deal.

Well, my timing sucked on that one!

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Originally posted by Stelios:
Keith,

First of all thank you for putting together this great resource. I've really come to love certain rolling stock models and the Lionel PS-1 is definitely one of them.

Out of curiosity would others find it useful if we pooled our research capabilities and determined how prototypical each of the cars is based on roadname and number (e.g. Model (should it be a PS-1?) and Paint Scheme).

I've really started to trying to research each car I am considering to try to determine how prototypical it is.

If this is of interest to anyone I can start by confirming that the CNJ is definitely prototypical and when I get back from my business trip I can probably confirm the LV as well.

Does this interest anyone else?

The blue Virginian regular production boxcar is incorrect. The brown Virginian boxcar from the CCII set is correct.

The VGN blue color was something Lionel created in PW days, and has kept perpetuating.

Larry Neal