Lionmaster T-1 not working right with Legacy 990

Likely not the issue, but TMCC engines run smoother in "TMCC Mode".

Is the "train brake slider" all the way down? this will prevent it from moving.

Maybe you set the speed limit to 0.

The brake slider is in the middle.

Maybe I did set the speed limit to zero. How do I undo that? 

I am still a Lionel control system virgin. Most of my experience is with MTH DCS so this new Legacy system is new to me. 

Move the brake slider all the way to the top

When you address the engine and before touching anything else look at the numerical key pad. Bottom right hand square will be a "speed limit" button. If it is high lighted push it until it becomes un-high lighted. 

That at will remove any speed limit if engaged. 

Hi guys,

I am getting there. The brake control is at the top (minus sign). I put the Cab 2 in TMCC mode. When I select the engine ID the speed limit button is not highlighted. When I press the SPEED button I get the speed icons. The T1 resonds to the icons and runs at the preset speeds.

But when I turn the red dial forward, the engine slows down. No matter which way I turn the dia it slows down. It wont speed uP unless I use the preset speed icons. I have no variable speed control. I would like to be able to dial the speed using the red dial.

Man, being a newbie is making be sweat!

What about your "momentum" setting. these are the L M and H buttons below the dial. For Low Medum and High momentum.

Low is quick throttle response Medium and High for slower response to the throttle dial.

If you hold down the M button you can "fine tune" the momentum setting to your liking. Really high momentum will result in slow response to the throttle.

Terrence,

Have you tried running your Legacy Big Boy, since this problem arose?  That might identify whether the problem is with the system or the T1.

George

Hi guys.

Momentum set to L.

the weird thing is the velocity throttle -- no matter which direction I turn it -- will only slow down the engine. I cannot get the throttle to speed up the engine. Very odd.

So for now the T1 can only be speed up using the preset speed icons on found under the SPEED button.

Big Boy will have to come out of his box again. I put him away so I can focus on running the T1 and Pennsylvania passenger cars.

Interesting issue. I just went down to the layout and tried all the little gotchas that I know of and couldn't reproduce the issue your having. 

I have yo follow George's advice and try the Legacy engine again.

I assume you've rebooted the Cab 2. 

Legacy gurus-would this be the issue?: quote from original post

"Note: I also programmed the South Wind Stationsounds car. It works great using the Legacy Cab 2 using ID 99."

Isn't 99 the all ID?

Terrence, reprogram the Stationsounds car to another id. Then address T-1 and the throttle.

He stated that the T1 is the TMCC version. I believe the 99/ all ID only applies to Legacy locos.

Could you have changed the type of engine it is?  Not sure if this is the case but worth looking at. I'll try it here too. 

Went through them all and couldn't replicate the issue. I would recheck the setting under info. I know it's repetitive but we have to have the info. 

BTW I couldn't even assign a TMCC engine to 99. Interesting. 

Yep: I programmed the Station Sounds diner car with ID #99 and it works fine. But the velocity dial on the Cab 2 only SLOWS DOWN the T1 no matter which way I turn the dial. So to run the T1, I hit the SPEED button and select one of the pre-set speed icons to make it run. But when I turn the throttle, the speed slows down either way I turn it. Very bizarre.

The T1 settings are: STEAM ENGINE / TMCC / RAILSOUNDS. I also tried running it in Cab 1 mode.

I didn't have time last night to test the Lionmaster Legacy Big Boy and today I have to work. I will try it tonight. I will also reprogram the South Wind stationsounds passenger car to a different ID #.

I will report tonight when I get home (after dinner).

Thanks for all of the advice. I just hope my Legacy 990 system isn't a lemon.

None of this started until you turned off the TIU. Is your track power routed through the TIU?

I don't know why it would be a problem, but it is a factor that changed before the issue came up with the T-1.

I think you'll have to try another The Legacy engine again. 

I am at work but I have my ipad.

You are correct Carl (Moonman). The Powerhouse 180 is banana plugged into the MTH TIU. The TIU is not powered on so the power is simply flowing thru the TIU to the Fastrack.

I was able to operate both an MTH diesel using the DCS remote and simultaneously run the Lionel T-1 using the Legcy Cab 2. Now that I think about it, the issue I am having with my Legacy controller and T-1 only started happening AFTER I ran both MTH and Lionel engines simulataneously. But as I understand it, both systems can operate on the same track at the same time.

Anyway, when I get home from work I will try running the Legacy Big Boy. I will also try bypassing the TIU and hook up the PH180 directly to the Fastrack.

But I hope to be able to operate BOTH Lionel and MTH motives - no just one or the other. 

My standard connection is a couple of PH180 transformers going through the MTH TIU and to the tracks.  The Legacy base is connected directly to one of the outside rails.

This arrangement runs MTH and TMCC/Legacy seamlessly at the same time, different times, whatever.

Since I have variable channels going to two tracks, I can run conventional when I need to as well, no connection changes.

My set-up is using a ZW-L and I vary the A and D channels to control conventional locomotives using my Legacy CAB2 or TMCC CAB1 and the TIU is hooked up in passive mode through channels 1 and 2. I am able to run both Legacy/TMCC and DCS on the same tracks at the same time with no issues.

Now, my T-1 reverse light in the tender does not go on in reverse but everything else is fine.....

I finally got to test my other Legacy and TMCC engines on my 990 system.

The big red velocity dial will not accelerate any of them.

The only way to get them to move forward is to select the SPEED button and click one of the pre-set speed icons.

Then, with the engine moving forward, when I turn the velocity dial to speed up, the reverse happens: the engine decelerates. WEIRD! It happens on all of the Legacy and TMCC motives that I have. Turning the dial left or right only yields one result: it slows down the engine.

It must be a problem with my 990 system.

I just emailed Legacy Station to tell them about the problem. I hope they will offer a replacement 990 system.

What a bummer. I guess some of the retooled 990s are lemons after all. 

If the knob doesn't work for any of them, and the speed buttons do, I think your diagnosis is probably correct.  I can't think of anything that should do that.

Thanks John. It does appear that my knob won't work no matter how much I turn it.

I guess all the gremlins have not been worked out yet.

UPDATE:

Legacy Station will not replace my failed Legacy 990 system. They sent me to Lionel.

Lionel diagnosed the issue with me via phone. Their prognosis is the same as ours:

I have a bad velocity dial. 

Lionel issued a RA number and sent an email for me to ship the unit back to them for repair.

What sucks is that because of their recent move, Lionel is backlogged about three weeks on repair projects.

I must say Lionel's service rep was a joy to work with. So friendly, helpful and thorough.

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So as of now, I ended up with a lemon Legacy unit that will be shipping to Lionel to be repaired. So no Legacy 900 for this train buddy for about a month. 

Sad, but true. 

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I'll be happy as long as it gets taken care of and I have the 990 back in time for the arrival of my BTO scale Polar Express (which is due to ship in November). 

Boo on Legacy Station. Time to search around for others to work with.

Guess we should have asked of the display was changing when you turned the knob. Did you go into the Info menu and change anything in the name or engine setup, the knob should be non functional there as well

That's what the Lionel rep asked me.

There was no activity on the display when I turned the velocity knob. 

They had me confirm a few settings and had me press a few buttons.

In the end, Lionel determined my knob is defective. So back to Lionel my 990 will go.

yup, that the real talent in trying to troubleshoot something. You have to avoid the urge to jump to the big giant problem solution and not overlook the basics

Our bad

In the end, Lionel determined my knob is defective.

Have you seen a doctor about this?

Engineers usually redesign the electronics when a part failure occurs

The red knob (encoder) sounds like it has a pin unsoldered and the output only shows ccw rotation.

Your analysis makes perfect sense. It's probably a 10 minute fix for an expert. For me, the best solution is to have a Lionel techician make the repair.

I am trying hard to not allow glitches like this blow the wind out of my sails when it comes to the sport of OGR railroading.

When I first got the MTH DCS system, it had to go to MTH for a repair (it took six weeks). Even my Lionmaster Legacy Big Boy (which I purchased brand new) had a defective Odyssey control board.

Situations like this seems to come with the hobby. I have learned to cope with it. Now I get it when I read numerous posts about members who exclusively operate in conventional mode. 

Despite the occasional problem, my passion for O scale railroading is stronger than ever.