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Hey Dad, does this help................son #?..........Paul

 
   
You don't, you measure it. – PlasmaHH Feb 3 '16 at 21:16
   
I don't want to measure it, I want to calculate it. I may have twenty LEDs I want to install and I don't want to install them, measure them, then find out I am not satisfied with the result. I want to know in advance. I know there are variables, PF, etc. I just want to know an approximate draw because I might want to put 20 wall warts driving 20 36 watt LED lamps. If so, what is the amperage load so I could size the correct breaker for the 120 volt AC circuit? – russT Feb 4 '16 at 22:08
   
Then we need the full schematics with all datasheets of all parts, since we must calculate the efficiency – PlasmaHH Feb 4 '16 at 22:09
   
You got to be kidding me! – russT Feb 6 '16 at 0:20
   
Do you know how to calculate the efficiency in another way without knowing anything about the device? – PlasmaHH Feb 6 '16 at 8:01

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What PlasmaHH said is the truth. You can only figure that the power was loss-less through the transformer. In other words since the power is (approximately) 3A X 12 VDC = 36 Watts I would estimate that the power on the primary would be the same which is to say:

W = E X I (without the power factor) rearranged 36W = 120 X I <=> 36W/120 = .3 Amps which again is 36W without knowing the power factor, eddy losses etc. You would need to measure the power and phase angle on the primary to know the exact measurements.

A    you will need 2400 watts worth of LED's before you trip a 20 amp breaker.         Ia=2400w/120v = 20 amps. You can not consider secondary current  when determining primary over current protection,  only watts  

B   power factor, applied power (VA),  eddy currents, power factor or phase angle (one in the same) these are toys not real factorys, not applicable !.

I am a EE and in the electrical construction business for 25 years

Bill_R posted:

A    you will need 2400 watts worth of LED's before you trip a 20 amp breaker.         Ia=2400w/120v = 20 amps. You can not consider secondary current  when determining primary over current protection,  only watts  

B   power factor, applied power (VA),  eddy currents, power factor or phase angle (one in the same) these are toys not real factorys, not applicable !.

I am a EE and in the electrical construction business for 25 years

Thanks Bill ! So are you saying, I'm  ok with what I have ? Bob

 

cabinet Bob posted:
Bill_R posted:

A    you will need 2400 watts worth of LED's before you trip a 20 amp breaker.         Ia=2400w/120v = 20 amps. You can not consider secondary current  when determining primary over current protection,  only watts  

B   power factor, applied power (VA),  eddy currents, power factor or phase angle (one in the same) these are toys not real factorys, not applicable !.

I am a EE and in the electrical construction business for 25 years

Thanks Bill ! So are you saying, I'm  ok with what I have ? Bob

 

Absolutely 

Bill_R posted:
cabinet Bob posted:
Bill_R posted:

A    you will need 2400 watts worth of LED's before you trip a 20 amp breaker.         Ia=2400w/120v = 20 amps. You can not consider secondary current  when determining primary over current protection,  only watts  

B   power factor, applied power (VA),  eddy currents, power factor or phase angle (one in the same) these are toys not real factorys, not applicable !.

I am a EE and in the electrical construction business for 25 years

Thanks Bill ! So are you saying, I'm  ok with what I have ? Bob

 

Absolutely 

Bob

To put it into perspective

the park hotel draws 36 watts

36/2400 = 66.66

In other words you can run 66 park hotels on a 20amp 120volt circuit just before you would trip the breaker in your service panel. that's a lot of buildings.  I don't suggest you do that but that's what the math says.  once you have 60 plus Menards buildings on your layout that would be a good  the time to think about a second circuit.  Also note that most Menards buildings don't draw 36 watts so in theory you could go even higher building count.  So don't lose any sleep I don't think your there yet.

 

 

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