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Hello Everyone,

Am a newbie to this forum, so please excuse if my questions may be a bit naive. In retirement, purchased a nice MTH Challenger (O gauge) with original PS1 upgraded to PS2. Worked well, but in making some non electrical adjustments to this used engine, accidentally shorted the boards in the tender (beginner's mistake).

Diagnosis is fried boards. I took it to an MTH tech in the San Diego area and asked him to replace everything necessary to bring the loco back to the way it was, sound, chuff, etc.

After weeks I have my answer--tech has gotten all the sounds back with new boards. But he can't get the speed control  nor the chuff to function, after much effort. Suggested instead just to quit with this engine, use it as a (dead) display model, or part it out. This isn't very attractive to my wife and me. We would like to have it running again.

MY question here is, once all the damaged boards have been removed, isn't the engine just a shell? Should not the new boards contain all the hardware / software to bring this engine back to life? I told the tech I was willing to spend the money to repair the engine, so is the result going to be something like "well, it's broken, but we can't fix it"..........................???

Any comments, advice, suggestions greatly appreciated! Thank you!
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Speed control on Proto2 locomotives is handled by a sensor mounted next to the motor flywheel (the flywheel should have an alternating black and white stripe pattern on it). My guess is the sensor is either broken or the gap isn't set properly, which is why the speed control function isn't working. Broken/faulty wire harnesses are a possibility too. I think the flywheel sensor has something to with the chuff rate too, but one of the MTH techs/experts on the forum can confirm this.

 

-John

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I find it surprising that an MTH tech could not track down the problem.  He could/should have posted on this forum and we could have given him specific diagnostic instructions! 

 

There have been dozens of cases posted here exactly like yours (no speed control on PS2) and to my knowledge every one has been solved...I'd say 95% are caused by what AcelaNYP identified.  The remaining being more obscure failures such as a few components on the PS2 board in the tender which handles the tach signal.

 

If you're willing/able to open up the engine and inspect the flywheel and sensor area, we can guide you through that.  If you are handy with a voltmeter let us know as that might come into play.  Otherwise, I am absolutely confident some of the guys on this forum could repair it though shipping a Challenger can be, umm, challenging.

 

And yes, the flywheel sensor absolutely affects the chuffing.  The sound system emits a "chuff" when some number of flywheel stripes passes by the optical sensor.  The number is based on how many "chuffs" per driver wheel you select via DCS (usually 4 per rev).  For articulated engines, the chuffing sequence is obviously a bit more involved but is still based on the flywheel sensor.   So if the sensor is not working, you will definitely lose both speed control and chuffing (and smoke puffing).

I want to thank you folks for your very helpful and prompt replies! OGR Forum really has a very together community!

At least now I have some actual info with which to talk to my tech, or should I need to find a new
tech, in case this one wants to throw in the towel. I mean, if the new sounds work, the speed control and chuff should certainly be repairable. To turn this remarkable engine into a doorstop is absurd!

Again, thanks to everyone!

There is a possibility even your old boards were repairable.  This is pretty simple.  Bad tach reader, bad gap, bad wire to PS-2 board, or bad chip on power supply.  Since you have new boards, it should be one of the others.

 

If you don't mind mailing it, I can do this repair.  E-mail is in my profile.  G

Why not suggest your "MTH tech" use this forum as a resource and perhaps he'd be willing to take another stab at it for no charge as a professional courtesy or whatever it's called. 

 

Otherwise, I will endorse GGG for doing the repair though I'd be interested in how much is costs to ship a Challenger coast-to-coast ... twice!

Thanks, GGG & Stan2004.

I took Stan's recommendation to send my Tech a note of encouragement, asking if he'd be willing to try one more time, with OGR Forum help---since he did get all the sounds to work.
Am awaiting his answer. If all fails, I will seriously consider sending the engine to GGG (thanks for the endorsement, Mr Stan), though that depends a bit on the give in the fixed income and the price of shipping what amounts to a giant cinderblock twice across the whole USA!

Anyway, it's a great stress reliever to be talking with knowledgeable people here!
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