MTH DCS Premium app and Apple iPads

Roger,

Have you upgraded to DCS 6.0? If not, the Premium app won't work properly.

Hello Barry, I've upgraded 3 TIU's and 2 handhelds to version 6.0. I'm not running the TIU's in super mode. I use the TIU's on 3 separate layouts. I also made sure that the WIU is upgraded to the latest version. Problem is, my Android phone and tablet works great with the premium app, but my iPads will not..............Roger

I also had the Standard app on my I-pads and it worked great!! It stopped working when I upgraded my I-pads to the premium version.......Roger

Roger,

Could be a WiFi issue. I use 3 different iOS devices with no issues at all.

Make sure that your iOS devices are really able to talk to the WIUs. They must be connected to the same network as are the WIUs or, if the WIUs are in MTH mode, directly to the WIUs themselves.

Hello Barry, I normally run my WIU in the "MTH" mode. I don't have the WIU connected to my home router. I can see the wifi show up under wi-fi mode in my i-pads. The MTH-WIU on the ipad has a blue check mark by it to show that it is connected to the i-pad. When I touch the read function in the app, it will act like it is looking for engines, but the it comes up with the error message" requested timed out". I can also see the blue wifi light on the WIU blinking rapidly while the app is looking for engines on the layout..........Roger

Roger,

How is the TIU connected to the WIU and what's the condition of the blue TIU LED?

Also, if you go to More.../Advanced Features/System Settings/TIU Settings, does the app see the TIU?

Hello Barry, The TIU is connected to the WIU with a RS-232 serial to usb cable that I brought from Radio Shack when the free app was first released. When the Ipad is connected to the WIU, the blue light blinks rapidly. When I try to read engines into the ipad, the blue light blinks rapidly, the ipad says reading then after a few seconds it says interrogating engines, then request timed out. The TIU settings say ver 6.0...........Roger

Roger,

When the Ipad is connected to the WIU, the blue light blinks rapidly.

When the app isn't doing anything, the blue led should be on steady.

Hello Barry, The light is on steady when the app isn't doing anything. It only blinks when I send a command to the WIU.................Roger

Roger,

I still need to know that the app sees the TIU if you go to: More.../Advanced Features/System Settings/TIU Settings

Also, use the DCS Remote to verify the TIU's DCS version: Menu/System/TIU Setup/TIU Version

Hello Barry, Yes the app recognizes the TIU as version 6.0. My handhelds recognize the TIU as version 6.0. Before I connected the WIU to the TIU, I checked with 2 handelds to make sure that the TIU version had changed from 5.0 to 6.0..................Roger

Hello Barry, My Android phone and tablet was upgraded from the Standard app to the Premium app. Both Android devices works perfectly with my TIU and WIU. They will both read and interrogate engines and add engines. As I said earlier in my posts, before I upgraded from Standard to Premium app all of my iOS and Android products worked perfectly. I had these devices used when my train club would go to various shows and they worked with no problems..............Roger

Roger,

I have two iPads.   I am only using one of them with the APP. (I use my iPhone as my other device).   If you haven't gotten is squared away, I will try and duplicate what's happening to you when I get home tonight and fire up my 2nd iPad.

Right now, the premium APP is working on my iPad.  and phone.

One thought:  Have you tried deleting the APP and reinstalling it?  I've had more than one APP go haywire where doing this fixed issues.

Yes David, I have tried several times to uninstall and reinstall app from the Apple app store.......Roger

I figured as much, but I don't like to assume when going down the technical glitch path

Roger, I just loaded the APP on my 2nd iPad.  Both my iPads are running the premium as designed.  They both works.   Sorry I can't be of more assistance.

Both of my iPads are running the latest iOS.

Is the wifi module at firmware 1.1?  This solved a few minor quirks for me recently after discussing my problems with Barry.

Hello Sparky, Barry, & Escaperocks, did you have to read/load each engine separately into your premium app using iOS ipad or did the app read all of your engines that are on your layout and loaded them in all at once?? I can get my i-pad to load one engine at a time but not all of the engines on my layout. I keep getting the error message" request timed out". I can load all of my engines at once using my Android phone and tablet...................Roger

Hello all, I done an app reset on my Android phone and tablet which deleted all engines in the app, then I went to add MTH engine, the app read the engines, then interrogated all of my engines then added them to the active list. My I pad will not add or interrogated any engines. I keep getting the error message "request timed out"................Roger

Hello all, I also checked the firmware version of my WIU: MTH WIFI DCS 20160107-1007...............Roger

Roger,

did you have to read/load each engine separately into your premium app using iOS ipad or did the app read all of your engines that are on your layout and loaded them in all at once?

Yes, that's the only way things can work.

The DCS App, just like the DCS Remote, cannot see a TMCC or Legacy engine. If any are on the layout, they must be entered into the app before they can be used.

Further, a DCS App refresh will, just like a DCS Remote READ command, send all of the app's TMCC and Legacy engines that have previously been entered into the app, to the Inactive List.

Since TMCC and Legacy engines cannot talk back to the TIU, as can DCS engines, there's no way for DCS to know that they're on powered tracks. To run a TMCC or Legacy engine after doing an app refresh, one must go to the engine roster, tap Edit and then use the slider to move them to the Active List.

This wil all be in The DCS WiFi Companion, coming soon!

Roger,

My I pad will not add or interrogated any engines. I keep getting the error message "request timed

Since the Android device works fine, in that case the issue is almost certainly within the iPad or its WiFi connection.

Hello Barry, I don't own ANY Lionel engines or control systems, just MTH only!! I can read my MTH engines into the I pad....one engine at a time. If I try to read more than one engine, I'll get an error message of request timed out. As I said earlier, with my Android phone and tablet, I can read all of my engines on my layout at one time and all of my engines works!

I have 2- 4th generation I pads. Both are up to date with the latest iOS upgrades. Prior to downloading the premium app. I had the Standard app on both I pads. both worked without a hitch. I could read all of my engines at once into my I pads. With the premium app, I have to load my engines one at a time.................Roger

Roger,

I have to load my engines one at a time

Not me. It works fie on both of my iPads and iPhone 7.

I have been helping a friend remotely with this same issue on his iPad. The big problem he has is the iPad (all Apple Devices in general) expect internet access when they are connected to Wi-Fi connection. His iPad was constantly switching between his WIU and his home internet connection in an attempt to connect to any possible network in order to find internet access.

You can try one of two things as a test:

1) Unplug your home internet and/or wireless networks in range of your apple device to ensure the only wireless network it can see is the MTH WIU. It will then have no choice but to connect and accept the fact that there is no internet on the MTH wireless network

2) Go into the Wi-Fi settings on your Apple device and "Forget" all wireless networks except the MTH network. Again, your apple device won't have any other choice of wireless networks to search out an internet connection.

Apple makes a solid product but their wireless connectivity is the worst. I have all sorts of trouble getting Apple devices to connect to Guest Wireless Internet connections at hotels that require web authentication before internet access is granted.

I hope this helps!!!

H1000

I have never had to turn off my wifi router to get my iPhone or iPad to work with the WIU.

My iOS devices are not set to automatically connect to any WIFI, even my normal home one.

I use an iPad on stages all over the country that have all kinds of wifi in the area, but I never lose wifi connection nor get interference while using the iPad with the device I'm using it to control.  Our mixers are certainly not providing a gateway to the internet.

When I go into settings, it shows me what's available and I select it.

I did the same thing with my iPad and iPhone that I use for DCS

In WiFi Settings, tell your iOS devices to "Forget" any network to which you don't want it to connect. Also, turn off "Ask to Join Networks".

That should keep it from moving WiFi around.

Hello Barry, I don't see any "forget" button in iOS. There is a "forget" button on Android products. There is an "ask to join networks" button in iOS.................Roger

Hello Barry, Disregard the last post! I found the "forget" button..............Roger

Barry Broskowitz posted:

In WiFi Settings, tell your iOS devices to "Forget" any network to which you don't want it to connect. Also, turn off "Ask to Join Networks".

That should keep it from moving WiFi around.

I think this should be in a sticky post for users of both types of devices.

Once I told my old android phone to forget the house router/wifi to the internet, my app works fine. I can't use it any other way.

ROGERW posted:

Hello All, I'm having issues with reading engines into my i-pads (I have 2 i Pads). Neither iPad will read engines into ipads. I was running the Standard version of the wifi app and it works perfectly. I've tried using the app reset in the wifi app, uninstalling and reinstalling the app from the apple app store, re setting my wifi module, recycling my TIU and repowering my layout. Neither iPad will read any engines. I keep getting this error message "request timed out". I also have a Android phone and tablet. Both has been upgraded to the premium app. Both Android products works perfectly................help!!!.....................Rogerw.

Roger,

I had issues with an iPad.  The tablet would connect with the WIU but would not see a TIU.  The TIU lights were on on the WIU but the tablet would not recognize TIUs.  I closed the app and disconnected from the WIU and started over.  The iPad saw the TIUs.  

I then ran into the timeout error.  It would just get to the interrogating engines message then I would get the time out error.   I kept trying and it finally loaded all of the engines. (quit fast actually)

Side note:  My iPhone found EVERYTHING instantly.

Dave 

Dave,

Yeah...this makes me wonder what it is about the iPad that is doing htis for some and not others.

I really can't say, since as I said above both mine have worked so far with the new premium app.  Could it be slight differences in the various models of iPad?

Barry Broskowitz posted:

In WiFi Settings, tell your iOS devices to "Forget" any network to which you don't want it to connect. Also, turn off "Ask to Join Networks".

That should keep it from moving WiFi around.

LOL thank you.  you said succinctly what I was trying to get at in my late night post last night

EscapeRocks posted:

Barry Broskowitz posted:

In WiFi Settings, tell your iOS devices to "Forget" any network to which you don't want it to connect. Also, turn off "Ask to Join Networks".

That should keep it from moving WiFi around.

LOL thank you.  you said succinctly what I was trying to get at in my late night post last night

Ahhhhh.

Hello all, I've tried turning off forget any network and ask to join networks in I pad. The only network that's connected is the WIU. I've tried reading in engines and add MTH engines settings and I still get an error message that says request failed. My Android phone and tablet will read all of my engines that is on my layout and read them in all at once....................Roger