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I am having trouble with the MTH G.N. R-2 articulated. I cannot get it out of neutral. I have all the sounds etc. but it won't move. I tried to work with the manual, but can't seem to get the engine to move. This engine is a Proto Sound 2, with the nine volt battery system. Right now I have a regular alkaline battery as suggested, and it has caused no problems until today. I have the MTH 4000 transformer, but do not have DCS. Any help or ideas?? Thanks.

 

Jeff

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Jeff,

When my PS3 Imperial Hudson does that it's because the drawbar connector has come loose at the tender and needs to be pressed back into place. With a PS2 I'm guessing you have the pigtail wire connector that plugs into the engine. Is the connection tight? Also, how long have you been running the alkaline and did you try replacing it.

S

  The connection is fine, and this is the first time the engine acted up. The Alkaline battery has been in the engine since late July, and I have not been running the engine all that much. I do get the start up sounds, etc., but the engine won't move. I do have a new BCR to put in, maybe now is the time. Originally Posted by Scott T Johnson:

Jeff,

When my PS3 Imperial Hudson does that it's because the drawbar connector has come loose at the tender and needs to be pressed back into place. With a PS2 I'm guessing you have the pigtail wire connector that plugs into the engine. Is the connection tight? Also, how long have you been running the alkaline and did you try replacing it.

S

 

Put the engine on a track without DCS, and connect the Z4000 to the track. Turn on the power, about 10-12 volts, and let the engine go through the start up routine. Tap the whistle button once, and the bell button five times. It should give 2 toots of the horn, if you do it correctly, this resets the loco to the factory default settings. In the event that the loco is locked in neutral, tap the whistle button once, and the bell button three times, should get the two toots of the whistle. Try moving the loco. If it doesn't work, try a couple times; if still no success, shut the loco down, and restart it. With the power at ten volts, push the direction button once, loco will be in forward mode, hold the loco so it doesn't run off your work area, and wiggle the tether, and the tether plug where it goes into the back of the loco. If it tries to run, you found the trouble. Changing the tether plug and tether isn't expensive, about $25 for parts and an hour's labor. Keep us posted!

Thanks for your help. I have tried this, but nothing. When I press the whistle or bell button, the whistle blows right away, and the bell turns on and off as I press the button. And no siginal or whistle to tell me it has worked. So the engine just sits. Would it help to pull the engine off the track for a short spell?
 
Thanks for the suggestions.
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by Train Doctor:

Put the engine on a track without DCS, and connect the Z4000 to the track. Turn on the power, about 10-12 volts, and let the engine go through the start up routine. Tap the whistle button once, and the bell button five times. It should give 2 toots of the horn, if you do it correctly, this resets the loco to the factory default settings. In the event that the loco is locked in neutral, tap the whistle button once, and the bell button three times, should get the two toots of the whistle. Try moving the loco. If it doesn't work, try a couple times; if still no success, shut the loco down, and restart it. With the power at ten volts, push the direction button once, loco will be in forward mode, hold the loco so it doesn't run off your work area, and wiggle the tether, and the tether plug where it goes into the back of the loco. If it tries to run, you found the trouble. Changing the tether plug and tether isn't expensive, about $25 for parts and an hour's labor. Keep us posted!

 

The alkaline is only for short periods.  It won't charge, so most likely it is below voltage and needs to be replaced.  Put a new battery in and test.

 

You really need to get a good new rechargeable battery installed.  That is an old PS-2 5V board and if you kill the board, the repair is about $250 plus for new system.  I have had to upgrade 3 of those engines.  G

Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Thanks for your help. I have tried this, but nothing. When I press the whistle or bell button, the whistle blows right away, and the bell turns on and off as I press the button. And no siginal or whistle to tell me it has worked. So the engine just sits. Would it help to pull the engine off the track for a short spell?
 
Thanks for the suggestions.
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by Train Doctor:

Put the engine on a track without DCS, and connect the Z4000 to the track. Turn on the power, about 10-12 volts, and let the engine go through the start up routine. Tap the whistle button once, and the bell button five times. It should give 2 toots of the horn, if you do it correctly, this resets the loco to the factory default settings. In the event that the loco is locked in neutral, tap the whistle button once, and the bell button three times, should get the two toots of the whistle. Try moving the loco. If it doesn't work, try a couple times; if still no success, shut the loco down, and restart it. With the power at ten volts, push the direction button once, loco will be in forward mode, hold the loco so it doesn't run off your work area, and wiggle the tether, and the tether plug where it goes into the back of the loco. If it tries to run, you found the trouble. Changing the tether plug and tether isn't expensive, about $25 for parts and an hour's labor. Keep us posted!

 

I've found that you've sometimes have to try a couple of times to get the taps on the buttons just right.  Too slow and you get the whistle, too fast and it doesn't work.

 

Stuart

 

Can I use a BCR instead of an MTH battery?
 
Jeff
 
 
 
Originally Posted by GGG:

The alkaline is only for short periods.  It won't charge, so most likely it is below voltage and needs to be replaced.  Put a new battery in and test.

 

You really need to get a good new rechargeable battery installed.  That is an old PS-2 5V board and if you kill the board, the repair is about $250 plus for new system.  I have had to upgrade 3 of those engines.  G

 

OK thanks. I am going to go downstairs right now and see if I can get the engine back up and running.
 
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:
Can I use a BCR instead of an MTH battery?
 
Jeff
 
 
 
Originally Posted by GGG:

The alkaline is only for short periods.  It won't charge, so most likely it is below voltage and needs to be replaced.  Put a new battery in and test.

 

You really need to get a good new rechargeable battery installed.  That is an old PS-2 5V board and if you kill the board, the repair is about $250 plus for new system.  I have had to upgrade 3 of those engines.  G

 

 

Still can't get my engine out of neutral! The BCR was put in and I waited plenty long for the capacitor to charge up. Got the same results I did with my temporary alkaline battery. The engine powers up with its proper sounds and then sits. I have tried to do the 1 whislte and 3 bell push button and nothing. When I push the whistle button it whistles and then when I press the bell button sometimes it will ring the bell sometimes not. And sometimes I use the Z-4000 handle to cut the power and sometimes I use the directional button. Still just sits. Does anyone else have any ideas? I hate to think I'll have to send it in. Also, is there anything esle one can do if he uses the Program button on the Z-4000? Keep in  mind I have always run this engine in conventional as I do not have MTH DCS . Thanks again for your help.  
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:

I am having trouble with the MTH G.N. R-2 articulated. I cannot get it out of neutral. I have all the sounds etc. but it won't move. I tried to work with the manual, but can't seem to get the engine to move. This engine is a Proto Sound 2, with the nine volt battery system. Right now I have a regular alkaline battery as suggested, and it has caused no problems until today. I have the MTH 4000 transformer, but do not have DCS. Any help or ideas?? Thanks.

 

Jeff

 

Good News! I continued to try and reset the engine, and after many tries, I got the two whistle blasts, and the engine was able to run forward and then backwards, so I believe I have unlocked it.
 
Thanks for all your pointers and replies to my problem.
 
Jeff
 
Originally Posted by Jeff B. Haertlein:

I am having trouble with the MTH G.N. R-2 articulated. I cannot get it out of neutral. I have all the sounds etc. but it won't move. I tried to work with the manual, but can't seem to get the engine to move. This engine is a Proto Sound 2, with the nine volt battery system. Right now I have a regular alkaline battery as suggested, and it has caused no problems until today. I have the MTH 4000 transformer, but do not have DCS. Any help or ideas?? Thanks.

 

Jeff

 

The program button on the Z4000 is strictly for PS/1, it won't help you. 

 

The Alkaline battery being in there that long may have cooked the charging circuit, you shouldn't use them long term. 

 

I'd first put it on the track with the BCR exposed and measure the voltage across the BCR after 60 seconds of track power.  If you're not getting 8-9 volts DC there after the delay, the charging circuit may have been cooked.  If so, you likely are going to have a problem.  I'm presuming you did check the motor harness and insure it's firmly seated?

 

When you try to reverse direction, does the tender backup light come on and off as you interrupt power?  Does the sound remain running for at least a few seconds when you remove power from the track?

 

As a final comment, thanks for your reply on the Program button and other pointers.  Jeff 
 
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:

The program button on the Z4000 is strictly for PS/1, it won't help you. 

 

The Alkaline battery being in there that long may have cooked the charging circuit, you shouldn't use them long term. 

 

I'd first put it on the track with the BCR exposed and measure the voltage across the BCR after 60 seconds of track power.  If you're not getting 8-9 volts DC there after the delay, the charging circuit may have been cooked.  If so, you likely are going to have a problem.  I'm presuming you did check the motor harness and insure it's firmly seated?

 

When you try to reverse direction, does the tender backup light come on and off as you interrupt power?  Does the sound remain running for at least a few seconds when you remove power from the track?

 

 

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