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Working on a new layout where there is a triple parallel mainline and at least 20 elevated crossovers or stretches of track atop others.  On past layouts, my issue has been on the lower levels but I am being told that best to shield the upper level.  Any thoughts?     Is it possible that in addition to signal propagation from the rails, there could also be signal propagation from a common terminal block under the layout?

So it seems obvious I will need a ground plane to run Legacy and looking for input.     Planning to run an earth ground wire between close parallel tracks.   Any thoughts on how to best conceal?   Does it matter if its under ground foam or homosote or does it need to be on top just adjacent to the road bed?

Regarding the elevated crossovers, it my understanding that you create a ground plane on the underside of the upper track.   So I assume it is fine to place the ground plane on the underside  of the raised plywood or bridge  correct?   If not then do I need to shield under each track?   I layer bottom up,  plywood, 1/2 in foam and then a vinylbed roadbed.   Where best to place the copper foil in regards to those layers?   Does cheap aluminum foil work as well as copper foil?   Thoughts on width or gauge of copper foil?   34, 36, 38?

What is the width of the ground plane material required if I shield the underside of the plywood?   If I have 3 tracks on roughly 1 foot wide plywood, do I need to shield the entire 1 ft width or can I get away with shielding less of it

Sorry for so many questions but trying not to have to dismantle elements down the line do to signal propagation.

Appreciate all insights from your experience.

 

GREG in Wisconsin.

 

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Physically, the engine has to be between the outside rails and the house ground wire. The engine's antenna has to be exposed to the house ground wire. If you have an upper rail system, then that can block the engines antenna's ability to "see" the house ground wire in the ceiling or walls of the room. So the fix is to install a wire connected to the house ground wire system that is over or somewhat alongside the engine. That restores the engines' position between the outside rails on the track and the house ground wire. You can connect the extra wire to the house ground wire system by connection to pin #5 on the DB9 connector on the Legacy base.

BTW, there is nothing "plane" about it and the fix is not to "shield" anything. It's to  restore exposing the antenna in the engine to the house ground wire.

I have used aluminum foil tape, copper tape, and wire to retrofit a multi-level layout with lots of bridges and tunnels.  For installation on this already-built layout where the track was on painted plywood (ballast not yet applied), copper tape (1/4 or 3/8" wide) applied to the top surface is easiest.  I also used alum. foil tape on the underside of elevated track plywood but the 2" width required a lot of crimping and bunching of the tape on curves and around support piers.  Fortunately, the alum. foil crimps almost flat so it was not visible.  Connecting the tapes to wires leading to ground connections was done by crimping ring connectors to the wire and screwing the ring into the tape.  I soldered some copper tape joints.

Running wire on this layout was the most difficult because a lot of staples, duct tape, etc. were required to keep the wire routed where I wanted it and flat on the surface.  Tape went on quickly.

Since your installation is new construction and you can apply tape to the ply before all the support piers and joists are fixed in place, aluminum foil tape on the underside of the ply deck is an easy solution.   I would install two tape runs between the three  main lines on elevated sections.  You want to keep the signal radiating from the upper tracks from swamping the signal on the lower level.

 

Greg:

I did the same as TrackerJohn. I laid aluminum foil (could not afford copper foil) between homasote and grass mats on the entire top level. I drilled a hole and use a bolt and washer set to connect the foil to earth ground. This way you can place or replace track wherever you want w/o worrying about moving or adding wire.

Joe

I too used the aluminum foil tape, (Heating/Air Conditioning duct tape).  As a matter of fact I have installed it on three layouts, all with elevated tracks.  I installed it on the elevated sections under the track.  It actually fits perfectly with most track.  Fastened a ground via a ring terminal.  Have not had any problem at all.  This has become common practice for me.  (Note fold the tape over on itself so that the aluminum is touching when joints or curves are required.)

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