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Last week I picked up a K-Line K-0956 Power Chief Transformer. My layout is a small, single-block layout with the accessory tap powering eight LED-generation K-0265 and K-266 switches, three uncoupling straights, an uncoupling/unloading straight, and DIY-LED-lit Plasticville Switch Tower. All but the switch tower are attached the the common via the outer rails, but the switch tower shares the same common as track common.

It was immediately apparent that something was rattling around loose inside. I hooked my common wire up to the variable voltage (top) black output, my track hot to the variable red output, and my accessory hot to the accessory/fixed voltage (bottom) red output.  Both my test locomotive, its horn and bell, and the accessories functioned. Oddly though—eerily?—sometimes when I pressed the whistle or bell firmly down all the way, the accessory power would cut out. The variable voltage throttle was a little loose in the casing, and a couple of times when I turned it all the way up, when I got to full-power and was still putting some clockwise pressure on the knob, the accessory power again cut out.

So, I drilled out the rivets and opened it up. First I noticed that the collar screw of the throttle pot was loose—easy enough to address when closing it back up. Then I saw that the shunt resistor connecting the variable voltage hot and common was broken off on one end. There were also a couple of relatively big chunks of what appeared to be hardened glue amber colored, but opaque. These appeared to be what had been rattling around inside.

After diligently cleaning out all the metal flakes from the drilled out rivets and soldering in a new shunt resistor, I closed it all back up. And reconnected it the same way. When I hooked it back up, the same way, the variable voltage worked fine, but the fixed/accessory voltage did not, EXCEPT when I was pressing firmly and completely down the horn/whistle, and/or the bell button. When I did that the accessory power was instantly on.

My understanding is that the Power Chief transformer is internally virtually identical to the CW-80, except that it does not have a fan, and like the second generation of the CW-80s, red=hot and black=common. The late Dale Manquen wrote an article on his website on the first-generation CW-80 in which he describes the transformer as having "pull down outputs." About three-quarters of the way down his article, Dale wrote, "The use of pull-down output prohibits the use of accessories that must be connected to track common, such as 022 switches, cattle and horse corrals and Lionel uncouple/unload tracks."

Even though the K-Line Power Chief had fixed the flaws of the first-generation CW-80, does it still use "pull-down" outputs? My accessories are connected to track common, so does this explain what is going on? Or is it likely that I have a bad chip, bad triac, or other malfunctioning component? (What is a triac?) Any insight would be most appreciated. For now, I am using a second transformer, in-phase, to power the accessories.

TIA,

Matt

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Matt_GNo27 posted:
 The late Dale Manquen wrote an article on his website on the first-generation CW-80 in which he describes the transformer as having "pull down outputs." About three-quarters of the way down his article, Dale wrote, "The use of pull-down output prohibits the use of accessories that must be connected to track common, such as 022 switches, cattle and horse corrals and Lionel uncouple/unload tracks."


Even though the K-Line Power Chief had fixed the flaws of the first-generation CW-80, does it still use "pull-down" outputs?

The Manquen article is incomplete in this area. If you used the red posts as "common" on the original CW, low current accessories worked fine albeit with the whistle & bell button functions reversed. The problem came in where the CW would go in to "foldback" mode and cut power to the train when a high-drain accessory like a 6 ohm uncoupling track was activated.

The new CW has the issue with the posts fixed so the black can be used in common with accessories and the sound buttons work correctly. The foldback issue remains.

The K-Line had the fixes in place for the entire production except for the QC issues you have discovered, and bumped the output to 7 amps which helped a lot with powering switches and uncouplers.

On yours, check that the tactile feel is still present in the Whistle/Bell buttons. They(and the direction button) are known to loose their "click" and get stuck in the down position. Then follow the accessory programming steps on the bottom of the PowerChief 120 - it's just a little bit different than the CW.

ADCX Rob posted:

The Manquen article is incomplete in this area. If you used the red posts as "common" on the original CW, low current accessories worked fine albeit with the whistle & bell button functions reversed. The problem came in where the CW would go in to "foldback" mode and cut power to the train when a high-drain accessory like a 6 ohm uncoupling track was activated.

The new CW has the issue with the posts fixed so the black can be used in common with accessories and the sound buttons work correctly. The foldback issue remains.

The K-Line had the fixes in place for the entire production except for the QC issues you have discovered, and bumped the output to 7 amps which helped a lot with powering switches and uncouplers.

On yours, check that the tactile feel is still present in the Whistle/Bell buttons. They(and the direction button) are known to loose their "click" and get stuck in the down position. Then follow the accessory programming steps on the bottom of the PowerChief 120 - it's just a little bit different than the CW.

Thanks for the response, Rob.

Yes, the Whistle/Bell/Direction buttons all have the tactile click feel. When the accessory power was working, I had programmed the accessory output voltage per the instructions on the bottom. After replacing the shunt resistor connecting the hot and common variable outputs, the output from the accessory hot and the shared common—the two common outputs are connected internally—is 0 volts unless I am firmly pressing on the whistle and/or bell buttons.  Reprogramming the accessory voltage did not alter this.

Speaking of the foldback issue with regard to using uncoupling tracks and my operating milk car, do I understand correctly that this would be an issue on my K-Line transformer, too? (This is a secondary concern.)

Followup report:

For the past month, I have not been using the accessory output on my K-Line Power Chief transformer, but using the 20-watt K-Line that came with their starter sets. It could power my eight switches and uncoupling tracks, but at max voltage, it could barely operate my postwar Lionel Operating Milk Car. After Thanksgiving I brought home an American Flyer 1-1/2 50-watt transformer that my dad had, but it too struggled to operate the milk car.

Last night I reopened my K-Line Power Chief to see if I couldn't suss out the problem. First I checked the traces to see if I could see a fault. Seeing none, I detached one end of the shunt resistor that was connected from the variable output to the base output next to it, fiddled around with the positioning of the whistle button a bit, and closed the K-Line 120-watt transformer up. Low and behold, the accessory power seems to work flawlessly.

I think that it was probably the magic incantations that did the trick.

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