New MTH NYC/P&LE Caboose

Are the marker lights lite ?? Looks Good otherwise.

The markers are light pipes. Some paint the housings and leave the lenses unpainted to make them a little more realistic. I have started replacing them with Tomar markers.

I am a fan of the MTH 19000 series cabooses. The truck location is much closer to the correct  prototype.

Is the interior on these the same as previous releases? The prototypes were pretty spartan with just benches on either side.

Pete

Nice. 

The Lionel version, if we're talking about the same thing, is old tooling and really need replacing. I still like them, but this MTH version is well ahead of them.

But those MTH markers are really YELLOW. I'd still buy it; easy correction. 

I have the Lionel 717, and it was light years ahead of the die cast MTH version.  I also have the Williams brass version, with 717 trucks, and it is a winner.

RICK O ENJOY!!!!

I have the Lionel die cast version.  I enjoy running that. 

laz1957 posted:

RICK O ENJOY!!!!

I have the Lionel die cast version.  I enjoy running that. 

I knew MTH had a diecast version, but Lionel did, too?

In 1940. Much better end platform steps. Far better trucks. It might have been a magnesium casting, but definitely die cast.

Lionel die cast NYC caboose foreground left first run MTH P&LE caboose foreground right.

MTH original run with P&LE with power.

MTH RK die cast NYC caboose.

MTH RK left Lionel Right.

Oh, interesting note the brakeman in the MTH RK cab is facing forward!

The subject of the best NYC 19000 caboose comes along every few years. I have to agree with Bob that the 717 is the best example of a 3 rail caboose ever done but its still wrong on two counts. The trucks being archbar vs T section Bettendorf and the lack of truss rods.

First off is the real deal. There are three prototypes within 100 miles of me including one only 20 miles away, recently restored. see above. This one is located at the New York State Fairgrounds in Syracuse, NY. Note the truss rods and trucks.

For some reason Lionel, MTH, and Williams decided to use the semi scale 2957 pre war caboose for their reissues. All have the wrong trucks and all the trucks are too far outboard like the 2957.

Lionel did do a relatively close rendition of the 19000 underbody with is plastic caboose.

Unfortunately they got the roof grabs and ladders wrong.

I tried splicing Lionel diecast caboose to the plastic frame but the diecast caboose is longer and overlaps the end platforms. I have since returned the elements to their original forms.

This is an MTH RK dieast caboose with its roller bearing trucks removed and replaced with Lionel trucks in their proper position. Markers replaced with Tomar. Still have to get measurements for the truss bars.

As of now the only correct 19000 caboose is the one made by Mullet River. Also a few brass ones I may not be aware of. Kohs has said they will make one but at 5 years and counting I am not holding my breath.

Pete

PRRronbh posted:

 

Lionel die cast NYC caboose foreground left first run MTH P&LE caboose foreground right.

MTH original run P&LE with power.

MTH RK die cast NYC caboose.

MTH RK left Lionel Right.

Oh, interesting note the brakeman in the MTH RK cab is facing forward!

It looks like most of the images are missing. 

Jim R. posted:

PRRronbh posted:

 

Lionel die cast NYC caboose foreground left first run MTH P&LE caboose foreground right.

 

MTH original run P&LE with power.

 

MTH RK die cast NYC caboose.

 

MTH RK left Lionel Right.

Oh, interesting note the brakeman in the MTH RK cab is facing forward!

It looks like most of the images are missing. 

Thanks Jim.  That is a bit of a mystery since they were in fact there when I originally posted.

Hopefully they are back.

Ron

What the heck did they do to the steps, looks like that thing would fly if you got it going fast enough? Totally ruins it the proportions.

Charlie

Charlie posted:

What the heck did they do to the steps, looks like that thing would fly if you got it going fast enough? Totally ruins it the proportions.

Charlie

Its due to the fact that most all of them made after the 717 have the trucks mounted to close to the ends. If the steps were prototypical it would need 120" curves to navigate.

Pete

I remember these cabs on local jobs when i was a kid and got rides in them when my dad worked for nyc. The repack date of !969 would probably hold up. conrail john