Also says they have sturdy STAMPED metal handrails. I think someone editing the web site did a copy and paste.
Just a last comment from me re Bachmann DCC . As I mentioned in an earlier thread,
I'm planning on adding DCC to my range of Darstaed locos., as an option. Although these locos are heavy, and strong pullers, because they don't have smoke generators and electronics, just a couple of little lights, they draw very little power. Well under 1/2amp in fact, so I fitted an HO Bachmann decoder rated @ 1 amp, for just simple light and motor control. It cost $20 and took me 15 minutes to fit. It works well.
Originally Posted by Dave Allen:
Just a last comment from me re Bachmann DCC . As I mentioned in an earlier thread,
I'm planning on adding DCC to my range of Darstaed locos., as an option. Although these locos are heavy, and strong pullers, because they don't have smoke generators and electronics, just a couple of little lights, they draw very little power. Well under 1/2amp in fact, so I fitted an HO Bachmann decoder rated @ 1 amp, for just simple light and motor control. It cost $20 and took me 15 minutes to fit. It works well.
Dave ,
Just FYI , I talked to the 2 rail guys a while back and they have a source for higher amperage decoders if you need them . They told me they usually run 4 and 5 amp decoders because of the added load of the cars.
Don't know where they get em you'll have to ask over on the 2 rail forum.
David
Originally Posted by yankspride4:
It looks like wholesaletrains.com has street prices posted @ $169.99 on the GP30's.
http://www.wholesaletrains.com/OProducts2.asp?Scale=O&Item=WLMS30GP
They seem to be in-line with the rest of the WBB line-up.
However, nothing is mentioned of the new sound system (only TBII).
Betcha if you wait they'll be down in the 130's 140's a month after they're in stock
David
Originally Posted by DPC:
Originally Posted by Dave Allen:
Just a last comment from me re Bachmann DCC . As I mentioned in an earlier thread,
I'm planning on adding DCC to my range of Darstaed locos., as an option. Although these locos are heavy, and strong pullers, because they don't have smoke generators and electronics, just a couple of little lights, they draw very little power. Well under 1/2amp in fact, so I fitted an HO Bachmann decoder rated @ 1 amp, for just simple light and motor control. It cost $20 and took me 15 minutes to fit. It works well.
Dave ,
Just FYI , I talked to the 2 rail guys a while back and they have a source for higher amperage decoders if you need them . They told me they usually run 4 and 5 amp decoders because of the added load of the cars.
Don't know where they get em you'll have to ask over on the 2 rail forum.
David
Yes, I know they are available, and they are some dollars. The point I was making, is that for 20 bucks and not much time, you can add command to a simple loco. That's the beauty of DCC, the variety and price range, the number functions etc, are simply mind boggling. True, a fully blown DCS or Legacy loco has more options and features, but when it is boiled down, DCC will meet most guys expectations. And that is why it is a universally accepted format, and makes the Lionel/MTH products very niche and limited.
quote:Lionel/MTH products very niche and limited
Except Legacy and DCS allow you to run unmodified trains that are almost 100 years old.
Originally Posted by Dave Allen:
Originally Posted by DPC:
Originally Posted by Dave Allen:
Just a last comment from me re Bachmann DCC . As I mentioned in an earlier thread,
I'm planning on adding DCC to my range of Darstaed locos., as an option. Although these locos are heavy, and strong pullers, because they don't have smoke generators and electronics, just a couple of little lights, they draw very little power. Well under 1/2amp in fact, so I fitted an HO Bachmann decoder rated @ 1 amp, for just simple light and motor control. It cost $20 and took me 15 minutes to fit. It works well.
Dave ,
Just FYI , I talked to the 2 rail guys a while back and they have a source for higher amperage decoders if you need them . They told me they usually run 4 and 5 amp decoders because of the added load of the cars.
Don't know where they get em you'll have to ask over on the 2 rail forum.
David
Yes, I know they are available, and they are some dollars. The point I was making, is that for 20 bucks and not much time, you can add command to a simple loco. That's the beauty of DCC, the variety and price range, the number functions etc, are simply mind boggling. True, a fully blown DCS or Legacy loco has more options and features, but when it is boiled down, DCC will meet most guys expectations. And that is why it is a universally accepted format, and makes the Lionel/MTH products very niche and limited.
Universally accepted everywhere but O scale 3 rail. Here it aint Master Card, Visa or American Express.
David
If they have this many surprises at WBB, could they be working on high-nose short hoods for the GP30 to make Norfok and Western and SOUTHERN RAILWAY.
Andrew
Falcon Service
Originally Posted by falconservice:
If they have this many surprises at WBB, could they be working on high-nose short hoods for the GP30 to make Norfok and Western and SOUTHERN RAILWAY.
Andrew
Falcon Service
They didn't do a high hood GP30 in HO, I doubt you'll see one from WBB in O.
Rusty
I've watched the WBB York video 3 times. The horn/bell sound fine, but the sound level of the diesel rumble was questionable. Anyone know of another video???
The engines in the video looked great, especially the Great Northern unit. I may have to go west for my next RR fix 
This place has them for $224, due out in Nov 2012:
http://www.rcslot.com/pc-radio...t-cars/BAC22902.html
and for $170 here:
http://www.wholesaletrains.com...=O&Item=WLMS30GP
What's happened to these???
Has WBB canned the True Blast Plus 16-bit sound system and gone back to the True Blast 2 bell and whistle only?
Was anything mentioned at York?
In my last post WholeSaleTrains had them listed for pre-order at $170, now they're $213 
Larry demoed a GP30 for me on their Superstreets loop. The good news it was able to negotiate 021 (Thats 21, not a typo) diameter S curves without a hitch. The bad news is the volume is very low. Barely audible at 6 feet. I am not sure how loud it would go but you might want to listen to one before committing to purchase. Also it may be some time, like a year or so, before the boards are available to upgrade older engines.
Pete
Originally Posted by Norton:
Larry demoed a GP30 for me on their Superstreets loop. The good news it was able to negotiate 021 (Thats 21, not a typo) diameter S curves without a hitch. The bad news is the volume is very low. Barely audible at 6 feet. I am not sure how loud it would go but you might want to listen to one before committing to purchase. Also it may be some time, like a year or so, before the boards are available to upgrade older engines.
Pete
What do you mean S gauge O21 track? I thought this was an O gauge locomotive.
Are they still planned for a November 2012 release?
Not S gauge, S curve. back to back 021 curves.
Pete
Originally Posted by Larry Neal:
Are they still planned for a November 2012 release?
according to the Bachmann presentatation at the open house, they are basically here.
Originally Posted by Wowak:
If they make it in RDG with cab #5513 they'll have a customer in me.
Hopefully Bachmann will make this model appropriate to the Reading Lines prototype.
Reading Lines had added some extended cab features to some of their EMD locomotives, read something on the Reading Modeler website about a modified from the factory an SD-45 with the cab extended about 11 inches at the windsheild for dual cab control features.
FYI, Reading Lines did not have any GP-38's, or at least bought no GP-38's from EMD directly. Bachmann made a GP-38 model of a Reading Lines engine and this is not prototipical for the Reading Lines. It looks great and runs good, so after finding out this info maybe I can reletter it for a GP-39-2.
Also Reading Lines traded in some older diesel engines to better finance their new diesel engines, like F-3's and AS-16's.
Lee F.
