I know there aren't very many floating around but does anyone have any leads on finding an Overland O scale N&W J #611? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Brendan
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Hi Brendan, I would contact Gary Schrader at gs-sj1944@comcast.net. He is an expert on these models and may know where to find one. Don
I would look at the collection buyers and get in line for when one shows up. Bill Davis at American Scale Models, Norm at Norm's Trains, Allegheny Scale Models, Hill's Hobby and so on. alleghenyscale.com has 2 Overland J warbabies listed.
VGN64 posted:I would look at the collection buyers and get in line for when one shows up. Bill Davis at American Scale Models, Norm at Norm's Trains, Allegheny Scale Models, Hill's Hobby
I don't think there has been a "Hill's Hobby Shop" in more than a decade.
and so on. alleghenyscale.com has 2 Overland J warbabies listed.
Hills hasn't been what it was in many years...especially since the move.
N&W Class J posted:Hills hasn't been what it was in many years...especially since the move.
To my knowledge, THAT person who "took over" Hill's, then moved it, has long since gone out of business. Besides, he never had any 2-Rail SCALE stuff anyway.
Hello J611
If not able to find one of the overland brass model, perhaps check out the Williams brass N&W J. They are sometime easy to find and reasonable priced in Ebay. The Williams brass J is pretty nice for what it is. hope this helps some
Tiffany
The only OMI N&W J for sale is at BPL.
It has been there awhile. ask for a deal.
http://www.railmodel.com/searc...mp;items_per_page=25
Brass is class!
Stephen
Allegheny Scale Models has a custom painted and lettered streamlined Sunset N&W J (# 611) for a WHOLE lot less than the Overland one at $2800. I have seen it and the finish is excellent.
The Sunset J were poor runners. and modeled after the N&W J #610 so is painted incorrect. I dumped my and would never by another one. Kohs will be doing the J and it will be $5000 plus and a long wait.
Stephen
Stephen,
I am sort of partial to the N&W J. I'm afraid that I am unfamiliar with #610 and it's paint? Can you suggest any photos that I might check out?
Thanks in advance.
Norm
The Overlands didn't run all that great either, so what?! The Sunsets ran better than the Williams and can be tweaked if you know what you're doing.
Jay
nw2124 posted:The only OMI N&W J for sale is at BPL.
It has been there awhile. ask for a deal.
http://www.railmodel.com/searc...mp;items_per_page=25
Brass is class!
Stephen
That thing is really ugly! I don't know if I have ever seen a J model's front end look that completely out of wack!!! I wouldn't give you two cents for that thing!
That skyline casing looks nothing like the smooth sheetmetal my Dad made!
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Which model? The one produced eons ago by Samhongsa?
nw2124 posted:The Sunset J were poor runners. and modeled after the N&W J #610 so is painted incorrect. I dumped my and would never by another one. Kohs will be doing the J and it will be $5000 plus and a long wait.
Stephen
I would like to see that paint job to decide for myself. The Sunset J that I used to have wasn't painted. And, I did not see a Sunset J on the Allegheny site.
When you say N&W J 611 are you looking for the 611 excursion version or the 611 in it's original form or a N&W J in any version? I believe Overland made 5 versions which included the un-streamlined J1 "War Baby" and the 611 excursion with two bulbs in the headlight. Overland blew them out at the end and you could find them for around $1,500. I bought a war baby and another version in that price range. I only test ran mine as they sit in the display case.
I have several Sunset J models. Never had a running problem but never saw one "factor painted" either. I believe they all came unpainted and if the paint is bad it's due to the custom painter or modeler doing a poor job. They show up on ebay all the time but many are over priced in my opinion. I test ran them and they are ok. I have several friends whose engines run great after very little work.
The Williams came in 3 rail and 2 rail. The 3 rail show up on ebay all the time and can be had for very little. The 2 rail show up but not as often as the 3 rail. The paint is beautiful and with a little work the model can look pretty good. Paint the tires, dull her down to your taste and check how high she sits. Mine all ran fine out of the box.
When the house is finished being restored/remodeled next year one of my projects will be properly numbering the Js to have as many different numbers as I can and put some different trains together. Monday I was finishing lunch in Bedford, Virginia at the old N&W station, looked up and there went 611 steaming back to Roanoke from Spencer. I was surprised at her speed. What a lovely sight!!!!
What's the deal with this? This is shown as "Factory painted"? I thought these all shipped raw as Big Jim said? I have no idea of how old this info is but......
The Sunset N&W J models were all unpainted from the factory. The one I alluded to earlier that Allegheny Scale Models has is a custom painted model and is not yet posted on their web site.
Stephen - what is the paint difference between 610 and 611?
The Sunset Models all came unpainted. As VGN stated there are 5 versions of the N&W J. The Sunset Models needed some work to run smoothly. The Sunset version is good for #604 -610 only. The 611-613 had difference in tenders etc. The model is not correct for 611 and will need to be renumbered to be right. The Williams model is what you pay for. Rivet detail left off the J, incorrect tenders and so forth. A good toy stand in. The mth and Lionel made better models. Williams dump the J's big time on the market because of poor sales and left dealers holding the bag.
The last sunset model sold for around $650. and are often on the bay as are the Williams. The last OMI sold over $2200. The OMI list for the J was $2750 retail. The OMI N&W J model are very hard to find.
Jim, You are correct, The problem with J models is the top shroud and lower shroud point below the nose are usually modeled wrong.
Stephen
My Williams ran like crap. Took the flywheel out, and smooth as glass. Love the paint. Don't care about the inaccuracies. Paid way too much . . .
Might someday get a Williams class A - first thing I will do is make the firebox bigger.
Bob,
If memory serves, the flywheel was connected to a universal (or something like that) and also wasn't concentric. Trued it up and it ran marginally better, redid the universal/flywheel connection and it ran better yet. Just like you, I removed the flywheel and it ran much better. Gave it back to the owner and told him to dump it. He did.
Jay
VGN64 posted:When you say N&W J 611 are you looking for the 611 excursion version or the 611 in it's original form or a N&W J in any version? I believe Overland made 5 versions which included the un-streamlined J1 "War Baby" and the 611 excursion with two bulbs in the headlight. Overland blew them out at the end and you could find them for around $1,500. I bought a war baby and another version in that price range. I only test ran mine as they sit in the display case.
I have several Sunset J models. Never had a running problem but never saw one "factor painted" either. I believe they all came unpainted and if the paint is bad it's due to the custom painter or modeler doing a poor job. They show up on ebay all the time but many are over priced in my opinion. I test ran them and they are ok. I have several friends whose engines run great after very little work.
The Williams came in 3 rail and 2 rail. The 3 rail show up on ebay all the time and can be had for very little. The 2 rail show up but not as often as the 3 rail. The paint is beautiful and with a little work the model can look pretty good. Paint the tires, dull her down to your taste and check how high she sits. Mine all ran fine out of the box.
When the house is finished being restored/remodeled next year one of my projects will be properly numbering the Js to have as many different numbers as I can and put some different trains together. Monday I was finishing lunch in Bedford, Virginia at the old N&W station, looked up and there went 611 steaming back to Roanoke from Spencer. I was surprised at her speed. What a lovely sight!!!!
I'm looking for the excursion version of the overland J.
When did Sunset offer the N&W J?
Norm
Norm posted:When did Sunset offer the N&W J?
Norm
Mine came in 1980.
So we have a 1980's model that needed custom painted? I can't see how that there could be much room to complain about how they run or were painted for a comparison at this time.
Norm
