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Bill,

the two coaches in the upper picture are Karl Bub (KBN) and are shown as late as 1925 or so. they are based on similar cars that were made for Carette (by Bub as far as I can tell) in a darker red with gold lining as Midland railway coaches in the 1911 catalog. The two lower coaches look to be Bing but could come from the period when Bub acquired Bing's tooling. there could be trademarks on the bottom of the two 4 wheel coaches, possibly a stylized BW or a diamond with GBN. if they have either of these trademarks, they are Bing.

I hope that helps

Roland
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