Questions after a Cruise Commander install - - - FIXED

Update your Legacy system, if you have no R100 mode, you have a very old version of the Legacy command system software.

I've never seen a properly installed installed RS Commander do what you describe, not sure what might cause that to happen.

The base is 1.6 and the CAB2 is 1.61.  It is working fine for everything except this one.  I check 3 other converted locomotives, a Cruise M, a DC CC and a AC CC and all of those have R100.  As far as installation, there isn’t much to it.  This was a protosound GG1 which was gutted and the CC and SC installed so there is no crowding.  The locomotive runs fine as either a CAB1 or TMCC and the sounds work.  I used AUX1 6 as the feature code (Railsounds with a cab light).

For entertainment tomorrow, I’ll disconnect everything except the motor and see what happens.

The Cab2 doesn’t know what its talking to, only the information you enter into it. Turn off the Cab2, remove the batteries, then replace them and try again.

Pete

@Danr posted:

First, on starting, it is reving up.  I had to press the rev down button a couple times to get to idle.  It always starts a couple of notches up.

I’ve seen stuff like this happen when the R2LC board is wonky.  It also happens with rev C07 boards.  I think it has something to do with the serial data line.  Also, I don’t know for sure, but I think something has to trigger the rev-up/down sounds.  Some engines have a Hall Effect sensor, and others have a VCO circuit.  Does the CC kit have something like that?

Thanks, Pete, I’ll try that.

Rplst8, the CC uses back EMF.  The radio board is an R4LC C08.  I have others in stock so I try swapping as one of the tests tomorrow.

Thanks all.

@rplst8 posted:

I’ve seen stuff like this happen when the R2LC board is wonky.  It also happens with rev C07 boards.  I think it has something to do with the serial data line.  Also, I don’t know for sure, but I think something has to trigger the rev-up/down sounds.  Some engines have a Hall Effect sensor, and others have a VCO circuit.  Does the CC kit have something like that?

The R2LC could NEVER cause the CAB2 to not display some operating modes, the communication between the Legacy command base and the engine is strictly a one-way conversation.  If the CAB2 is not displaying an operating mode, it IS an issue with the command base and/or CAB2.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

The R2LC could NEVER cause the CAB2 to not display some operating modes…

I meant the rev levels misbehaving, not the CAB-2 weirdness.  That struck me as totally odd just like you.

Interestingly, this section of the Legacy Command Set v1.6 manual shows the menu without the R100 option.

Thanks rplst8, I discovered this about 2 hours ago when I swapped the R4LC.  Initial setup is CAB1 and DSL.  Everything worked.  I then went back to "clean up" the locomotives description.  At that time I selected the locomotive type to be ELE.   Turns out ELE expects it to be a Vision Line electric.  When I set it back to DSL, R100 reappeared.

Just a dumb mistake.

Thanks everyone for your help.

@rplst8 posted:

Interestingly, this section of the Legacy Command Set v1.6 manual shows the menu without the R100 option.

The miracle of cut-n-paste for document updates.

Note that they did include it in the choices.

@Danr posted:

Thanks rplst8, I discovered this about 2 hours ago when I swapped the R4LC.  Initial setup is CAB1 and DSL.  Everything worked.  I then went back to "clean up" the locomotives description.  At that time I selected the locomotive type to be ELE.   Turns out ELE expects it to be a Vision Line electric.  When I set it back to DSL, R100 reappeared.

Just a dumb mistake.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Interesting! Sounds like a bug in the software some code monkey like me would write.  I wonder what the Engine Type option does differently in the remote.

Anyway, glad you figured it out. 🙂

@rplst8 posted:

I wonder what the Engine Type option does differently in the remote.

• CAB1 - relative speed steps with numeric keypad, no throttle graph.
  
• TMCC - absolute speed steps with iconic keypad symbols, throttle graph in 32 steps.
• R100 - relative speed steps with iconic keypad symbols, throttle graph in 100 steps.
• Legacy - Legacy speed control with iconic keypad symbols, throttle graph in 200 steps.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

• CAB1 - relative speed steps with numeric keypad, no throttle graph.
  
• TMCC - absolute speed steps with iconic keypad symbols, throttle graph in 32 steps.
• R100 - relative speed steps with iconic keypad symbols, throttle graph in 100 steps.
• Legacy - Legacy speed control with iconic keypad symbols, throttle graph in 200 steps.

I mean the Diesel/Electric/Steam/Other setting.  Danr said switching from Electric to Diesel fixed the missing R100 control type setting.

That's a longer topic I suspect.  Some of them are obvious like the passenger and freight settings.  The diesel, steam, electric pop up different keypad icons, but it's not clear what they do behind the scenes.  I do know that I ran across the issue that electric seems to imply Legacy.

If you pick an engine type and then exit the selection screen and just hit the whistle, the icons will change to reflect your selection.  You'll see a bunch of different stuff, the Subway does the doors, the electric does the panographs, etc.