Running ATLAS O on LIONEL'S Legacy System

Jim. As long as they have TMCC, just like any other TMCC equipped locomotive that dose not have legacy. 

This will be the same for K-line, 3-rd Rail locomotives with TMCC

If they do not have TMCC than you will need a Lionel TPC controller to run non-TMCC locomotives

All of my ATLAS locomotives have TMCC. My problem is that when I power up my track. The lights in the locomotives do light but I have no response from the keypad when it is queried.

Jim

I had one early atlas TMCC diesel that did some silly stuff with a cab 2. There seemed to be some difference between using TMCC mode and cab 1 mode as to how it operated. You may want to try the different modes. If I remember right, the start button icon had no effect on it, you had to use the old TMCC style start up AUX1- engine number - horn or some of the other start up combos.

I converted the engine to PS2 and dont regret it one bit.

I haven't updated my Legacy system to the latest version yet, but I think my comments here are still accurate.

As long as you're dealing with TMCC command-equipped locos from any importer, you'll just need to enter some parameters manually after using the generic steam/diesel memory modules that come with the Legacy system.  You can customize the locomotive name, loco type, control type (i.e., confirm it's set to TMCC), and Railsounds type (usually Railsounds 2-4).  This information is loaded automatically for Legacy-equipped locomotives, but you'll need to do it manually for your roster of TMCC locomotives.

Double-check the users guide... There are sections that outline these steps.

David

Jim,

Did you assign the Atlas engine a "TMCC or Legacy" number first?  Not sure if that needs to be done, being I run my TMCC engines via DCS and had to do it before I could run any TMCC/ERR equipped engine.

You don't really need the generic modules to configure, they do very little.  After I first got the Legacy system, I haven't used those since.

You can also enter all the stuff for Legacy locomotives, though the orange modules do add stuff that you'd have to manually key in, so they are convenient.  It's noteworthy that Lionel is not going to continue shipping the orange modules with new Legacy equipment.

most likely your remote is in Legacy mode. 

you need to put the remote into cab1 or tmcc mode.

As the writer of this problem, I certainly appreciate all the input and the suggestions to solve my dilema but I am looking for someone to tell me HOW do I do what you all are telling me. The Lionel instructions are not only confusing but next to impossible to understand. I suppose the answer to my problem is to set aside all my Atlas locomotives and not use them or else sell them. I do have a substantial collection of Atlas and only a few of Lionel. It really is a shame that we older folks who have no idea of or about electronics have to give up some of the wonderful products in the market place because of much confusion created by the manufacturers when developing new products. I am in my 80's and like most of us have spent a lot of money on new products only to find out that I can not use them because of a lack of understanding of "modern technology".

Jim

Let's not get carried away!  TMCC locomotives work fine on the Legacy system!

Let's start at the top, did you set the TMCC ID for the locomotive correctly?  How about we do that first?  I'm assuming the Legacy system is connected to the tracks.

Turn the PGM/RUN switch to PGM on the locomotive.

Put the locomotive on the tracks and power up the track.

Turn on the Legacy CAB2.

Press the ENG key, key in the desired two digit TMCC ID, and press the SET button.

You should hear the horn sound on the locomotive.

Power down the tracks, remote the engine and turn the PGM/RUN switch to RUN.

Put the engine back on the tracks, power up the track.

On the CAB2, Press the INFO button.  Press the SCROLL button once, then change the type to TMCC.  Press the INFO button again.

At this point, you should be able to run the engine on the spot, the sounds will start as soon as the engine receives a command.  Twist the red knob and away you go.

What about the assignment of a locomotive number to differentate it from other Atlas locomotives? I have 8 Atlas locomotives I wanted to use on my layout along with 7 Lionel. I have the Lionel locomotives already assigned numbers in the Legacy system. It's the Atlas that are driving me crazy trying to run them on Legacy. Besides, what you have told me to do, I already have and all I get is the locomotive sitting on the track and nothing happens when I prompt the Cab2 using the eng key.

Jim

There should be no difference in using the Atlas TMCC locomotives over using Lionel TMCC locomotives.  It's a mystery what is happening with them.

Have these locomotives run on another layout?  Do they run in conventional mode?  How many locomotives are we talking about?

"Turn the PGM/RUN switch to PGM on the locomotive.

Put the locomotive on the tracks and power up the track.

Turn on the Legacy CAB2.

Press the ENG key, key in the desired two digit TMCC ID, and press the SET button.

You should hear the horn sound on the locomotive."

do you get the horn beep after doing this?

What about the assignment of a locomotive number to differentate it from other Atlas locomotives?

I used the last 2 digits of the engines road number.

Even though I use DCS I still had to give my 3 non-PS2 engines ID numbers using the TMCC system, BEFORE I could assign them into DCS.  I have a Williams E7 with ERR Cruise Commander (TMCC with cruise, no sound) that's number 3039, so I assigned it number 39.  I also have a 3rd Rail E7, number 3029, I assigned it 29, on the TMCC handheld.  The last engine is a Lionel GP9 with Legacy, number 484.  I assigned it number 84 and they all work fine, using DCS and I also have the new TMCC "Lite" BETA system used for testing to see if the command base would work with DCS.

If you have 8 Atlas engines, are they all the same road number or are they all different?  Follow John's instructions for each engine, assigning each a different number, and they should all work.

If that doesn't work, I think I'd have to see one of these to see why it doesn't work.  Buy me lunch sometime and I'll get them working.

Jim make sure in the engine info screen the control tab is set to TMCC or Cab1. If it is set to LEG the Engine will just sit there as described. Legacy engines can be set to LEG,TMCC or CAB1 and run BUT TMCC command engines CANNOT be set to LEG.

Ron

I would really like someone to explain a step by step procedure for getting my ATLAS locomotives running using the Lionel Legacy system. The book that came with my system does a bad job in doing this.

Are you Atlas locomotives TMCC equipped?

I'm sorry you do not understand. 

but everyone above has said the exact thing you are asking.

1. put cab2 in to TMCC mode.

2. put engine into set mode.

3. pick any number not already used and input into cab2 push set.

4. put engine back to run mode

5. run your trains.

if I left anything out some will jump in.

I have not read this entire thread so forgive me if I repeat.

If your locomotive does not "load" with the horn/whistle sound after entering your number and pressing set, change to TMCC or Cab-1 to load the loco. After doing so, use "Info" and "Scroll" to set the loco parameters you wish to use. Once done, you are fine. I run my Atlas O locos with 200 speed steps and they perform beautifully.

Scrappy

Make sure you are doing this on the Cab-2. From Gunrunnerjohn:

On the CAB2, Press the INFO button.  Press the SCROLL button once, then change the type to TMCC.  Press the INFO button again. 

Hope this helps. 

Have you been to MartyE.com under Tips and Tricks? This site really helped my when I first started with Legacy. He shows you with video how to correctly load a TMCC engine.

Im sorry fellas but I am unable to achieve any of the suggestions you have given me to solve this problem. Once again, I am unable to have the letters TMCC appear on my CAB controller. I have been wrestling with this problem ever since I purchased this equipment over three years ago. I have even sent the unit back to Lionel 3 times  explaning my problem and each time I receive it back, the problem is still there. I am able to load Lionel Legacy locomotives but do not get any recognition for TMCC on the controler. Again, how do I get the controller to show me TMCC in the display window? Once I can get that, then I hope I can run my TMCC equiped locomotives (ATLAS).

I appreciate your input. This has been extremely frustrating for me.

Jim

these vids might help

http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6250

http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6253

http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6226

http://www.lionel.com/Customer....cfm?documentID=6361

http://www.lionel.com/Customer...&product=6-14295

I read through the Lionel vid service list you sent me and am now more confused than before. There apparently is something wrong with my system as when i try to follow the instructions on the vid about the tan module and try to get a response from the cab, nothing happens. I also notice that the screen on the cab controller has streaks on it and the batteries have a full charge. In addition, those vids talk about TMCC1 and TMCC2. What is the difference? I am about ready to toss this whole thing in the trash can and forget I ever heard about toy trains.

Jim

Jim,

I would like to try and help you with this problem, my email is in my profile.

Send me you telephone number and I would be happy to try and walk you

Through your situation. I have Atlas engines the run with my Legacy problems with no problem.

TMCC1 = cab1  

TMCC2  = Legacy

are you using the re-chargeable batteries that came the unit or another brand?  try off the shelf plane AA batteries.

some where I saw picture of the cab2 that showed what button to push and then where to scroll to, to get the cab2 into TMCC mode.

if one of you guys can remember where those pictures are can you post them for Jim to see?