Santa Fe Super Chief's first diesel locomotives the 1 and 1a

AmeenTrainGuy posted:

I did a search for these and could not find the prototype. Do you mind sharing a link to a page of the prototype?

These have some info:

https://www.classicstreamliners.com/lo-atsf-1.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_1800_hp_B-B

That is the pretty version for sure. The Bulldog facelift is one of my favorites.  Interested, but Sunset new offerings aren't in my budget.  It would make it as a wishlist item

  These are the shots I focused on when I started a fantasy ho bash of shell scraps and a fishing lure or N gauge box (?) based on these locos/photos (a backburner job, not even close to done)

 I lost some

Ho bulldog by ?.

My "mess"

No sale.  That's all I'll say.

Number 90 posted:

No sale.  That's all I'll say.

It must be the look or likelihood of it; you don't hold back on much mechcani

The composer won't cooperate , hope you had your coffee and figured it out because 4 tries at the correct-it game is my limit when it starts shuffling the order of the words too

Try "Classic Trains" summer 2012, page 23.  It's not in color and I don't have the necessary equipment to reproduce it.

https://ogrforum.com/...en-olive-amos-n-andy

I started one in aluminum.  It would be easy if one could make a pattern for that strange end.  I was doing it for a friend, but he left us before I got very far along.

I like the paint.  There is some conjecture as to the actual colors. 

The only way I could see this done effectively would be in plastic with the common platform, and done with its companions done for other roads. The ATSF units fell into an EMC category of 1800HP "B-B" diesel-electrics all done around the same time. It LOOKS from the design and size that they were the predecessors to the E unit passenger diesels and also had dual engines in each unit. The units had cabs at both ends. I believe CB&Q also had one with a single-cab to pull one of the Zephyrs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_1800_hp_B-B for the full article.

Demonstrator:

Baltimore and Ohio

The one in question for ATSF. Note that though they seemed to travel as a pair they were also double-ended.

Number 90 posted:

No sale.  That's all I'll say.

Not one of your favorites, Tom???  No need to explain; but, it'd be interesting to read your thoughts/opinions.

Note the possibly different shades of blue on the lower bands.  Or maybe the upper one is black?

I'm in     2 rail done by Scott

AGHRMATT:  Thanks for the great photos and link.  You provided much more information than I ever could have.

One of my Super Chief books describes what colors they were, but that is hard to interpret.  I will find that later and post.

This is the only Super Chief locomotive I don't have a model of.  If Scott makes it, I will buy.

Rolland

AGHRMatt posted:

The only way I could see this done effectively would be in plastic with the common platform, and done with its companions done for other roads. The ATSF units fell into an EMC category of 1800HP "B-B" diesel-electrics all done around the same time. It LOOKS from the design and size that they were the predecessors to the E unit passenger diesels and also had dual engines in each unit. The units had cabs at both ends. I believe CB&Q also had one with a single-cab to pull one of the Zephyrs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_1800_hp_B-B for the full article.

The one in question for ATSF. Note that though they seemed to travel as a pair they were also double-ended.

For reasons I can’t really explain, I think I’d be in for a SF version. I sort of like boxy engines, and this definitely qualifies, but I find the “streamlined” look of the truck covers to be very interesting.

I am in for a pair if 3rd Rail would ever make them.  I do not like the updated warbonnet rebuild though.  The original look was striking for the times and historic development in the future.

Scott

Pingman posted:

Number 90 posted:

No sale.  That's all I'll say.

Not one of your favorites, Tom???  No need to explain; but, it'd be interesting to read your thoughts/opinions.

I don't like to be negative on the Forum, but that rednose Frankenstein, created in Topeka Shops, is not Santa Fe's finest image.  The mechanical and safety improvements were good, but, whenever I see a photo of that thing, I immediately move on.  I can't even imagine what the people at EMD thought when that unit arrived at La Grange as credit on E8m's in 1952.

I wrote to Scott Mann, he replied that this is on his list but needs to get through some other planned projects first.  Perhaps those of us seriously on board for these can make it known to Scott Mann.  

I have ZERO interest in the remuddled version with warbonnet paint though, that is tough to look at!  The as delivered versions are uniquely beautiful locomotives.  

As far as color, here is description of the colors in Stan Repp's book Super Chief Train of the Stars:

"Olive Green."  Other official Santa Fe literature describes it as "Golden Olive. "  Although hard to tell in black and white pics, the areas that are Golden Olive sure look darker than lighter, hinting that the color may be more olive than yellow as on the Hallmark HO model.

The other option that will come into play, skirts, or no skirts?  In the Stan Repp book, the skirts were removed before the inaugural run of the locomotives.  They looked pretty cool with skirts in the publicity shots though.  

I would be very interested in a pair of the original Amos and Andy version, but I could not afford/justify/rationalize the cost of brass versions at $1200 to $1500 each.  Hopefully there would be enough interest to produce in plastic.

T4TT posted:

I would be very interested in a pair of the original Amos and Andy version, but I could not afford/justify/rationalize the cost of brass versions at $1200 to $1500 each.  Hopefully there would be enough interest to produce in plastic.

I agree that more affordable plastic would be great!

I would be in for the EMD demo boxcabs in black and silver ( there were two) versions- sililar to the B&O version.

Here's the single-cab version for the CB&Q Zephyr. My suspicion is that it was a one-off build.

AGHRMatt posted:

Here's the single-cab version for the CB&Q Zephyr. My suspicion is that it was a one-off build.

There were two single-unit EA Shovelnoses on the Burlington: 9904 Pegasus and 9905 Zephyrus.  The other two were A/B combos: 9906A/B Silver King/Silver Queen and 9907A/B Silver Knight/Silver Princess.

The 9904 and 9905 were later converted in 1951 to fairly unattractive B-units, scrapped in 1957:

Source: Burlington Bulletin No. 13.

Rusty

Rusty Traque posted:

There were two single-unit EA Shovelnoses on the Burlington: 9904 Pegasus and 9905 Zephyrus.  The other two were A/B combos: 9906A/B Silver King/Silver Queen and 9907A/B Silver Knight/Silver Princess.

The 9904 and 9905 were later converted in 1951 to fairly unattractive B-units, scrapped in 1957:

Source: Burlington Bulletin No. 13.

Rusty

Wow. What an undignified end. Thanks for the additional info.