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My used Shark Aquarium car, bought on an auction site, works perfect in every respect, save one - the backlight doesn't work. The backlight is an electroluminescent panel, that glows a soft blue color. That style of lighting used to be popular for home night lights many years ago. The original defective panel glowed blue just a bit around the connection areas and finally it glowed no more. They do that, I've been told, or at least I read. So I looked for over a year and a half for a new or used one - no luck, I finally found a new panel and bought two at a very reasonable price. Why two? Because at that price and that scarcity, I wanted to make sure I had one that would work!

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So I installed one of the new ones. Actual soldering was not hard at all, I used a fine tip on the soldering pencil and kept the temp down because the electrical connections to these panels are 4 staked pins (see below) that have 4 little pierced and crimped  teeth that actually make the connections, and I was not wanting to melt the connections.

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Why 4 pins? Because the panel exists on 3 sides, left side, folded over the top (a non-illuminated area), and the right side. Electroluminescent panels are supposed to run on about 90VAC. They also DO NOT like to be folded, or so I've read. That's why the roof area is non-luminescent, so they don't destroy the whole panel when they created the folds there.

I'll cut to the chase - I tried both of the new panels, neither worked. I measured 93.5VAC across the two left side pins and exactly the same across the two right side pins. I ever so carefully created a drawing of where each wire went before starting the replacement, which documented both the plug end and at the roof-top connections on this short little cable. I did not fold the plastic at any time, on either one.

So my question is this - the panels were clearly new, laying flat, with lengthwise creases to accommodate the roof. Is, or was it common for new panels to fail? Keep in mind, these panels have been sitting on a Lionel shelf for many years. The electronics inside this car contain a version of Odyssey, so that should help date this thing.

Can you "shed some light" on the subject??

George

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FWIW I went through this scenario.

At that time- North Lima Trainworks was still in business and I bought 10 of those panels and NONE worked.

I tried them with EL backlight drivers and different voltages- none worked- they are just all bad panels.

10 for 10 bad, well and one original failed. so 11 bad.

Sorry to say, this implies there is a high failure rate (100%) or manufacturing defect- and North Lima sold the panels after I warned them of 100% failure rate- and now you bought them years later- same problem.

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Same here. I have a couple of old ones and they never worked from day one. Years ago Mike Reagen was visiting me in Co. at the shop I was at and one of the things we messed around with was said panel. He had no luck either. What ever chemical used in the process to make the screens had 'aged out' so it is likey that none of the Shark cars still work. It was a one-off and Lionel never made that style of car again. Maybe some day Miller Engineering could make reproductions. but on second thought there probably not be the demand to warrant production.

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Were these the shark cars that were equipped with TMCC?   (And maybe had sound effects?)

Ron, they had TMCC and it was equipped with Odyssey to control the speed of the sharks swimming around in their tanks. The sound is RailSounds 4, and it makes a lot of watery, splashy sounds with short bursts of shrieks and munching sounds (at least to my ears!) It’s cool but not something you could listen to for hours, it’s sort of a “ impress your guests “ kind of car.

George

Ok, I know this one.  I believe it had a special "box" hanging from its belly to hold all the added tech stuff.   I saw one run & it was nice, but its really sad how you can's count on this stuff holding up.  My favorite Lionel operating car of the last 20 years, the operating "snow blower" car has been rendered inoperable because some parts have failed & aren't available from Lionel. 

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Ok, I know this one.  I believe it had a special "box" hanging from its belly to hold all the added tech stuff.   I saw one run & it was nice, but its really sad how you can's count on this stuff holding up.  My favorite Lionel operating car of the last 20 years, the operating "snow blower" car has been rendered inoperable because some parts have failed & aren't available from Lionel. 

Mmmm, never really noticed, but you're right about the big black underbelly Pretty much looks like any other Aquarium car except for that - and the black paint - and the sharks. What's really nuts about it is the amount of electronics they stuffed into it just to be an aquarium car with sound and variable shark speed

George

This is what I foundscreenshot-1738114314420

And this is what I found

So I would agree, there are likely two or more different screens. About a year or so back, I ran into a discussion on OGR about these same screens. Comments were made to the effect that the backlight screen in the Shark car wasn't the same backlight used in (a different) car. Can't recall what the other car was though.

What part number did you look up to get your list? The car I have is 6-19868 Shark Aquarium.

George

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I typed in 'Aquarium' car and around the last page it had a breakdown of the TMCC car. Quite a difference in price. The backgrounds are similar, but not the same. It has 4 sets of contacts on the bottom instead of 2 at the top. Better power distribution? I know you are a cleaver guy and could probably find a way to fit and wire it in if you wanted it to work, that is if the screens even still work!

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