Hi,
I tried to reply to this post onthe Standard gauge GG1 but couldn't. Don't know why?
https://ogrforum.com/t...g1-in-standard-gauge
Does anybody make a Standard gauge GG1 yet?
Thanks.
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The last post of that original thread is over 3 years old now. So the thread got locked. Not sure of the exact algorithm(s) in play here -- I'm sure somebody does 
-- but after six months or so of no activity, threads are set to lock automatically. I recall reading here that it's a configuration option on the forum software.
If you look at the end of that original thread, there's a message that indicates the thread is locked and no additional replies are permitted.
BTW... I'm a Standard Gauge "newbie", but I'm not aware of any Standard Gauge GG-1's produced yet.
David
There is at least one standard gauge GG1 out there. I saw it at a Monroeville,PA train show a few years ago. One of the guys that is a member of the standard gauge modular group has it in his possession and it was running on their layout. It was really a sight to see.
Norm
Interesting, Norm. Who produced it? Was it a custom product, or maybe a prototype of something that never made its way into full production? I wasn't aware of a Standard Gauge GG-1 that was ever catalog'd. But i'm still relatively new to this tinplate stuff.
David
David,
I just do not remember the name of the guy that fabricated that GG1. I am pretty sure that it is a Tuscan 5 stripe,given that there are so many variations out there. Lionel,MTH,Rich-Art:nobody has done a scale GG1.
Norm
Riki,
There have been a few that were commercially available, but nothing in recent years.
In 1974, Bob Hendrich made a GG-1 under the Gold Standard Engineering name. These 28" long behemoths weighed close to 30 pounds and could operate on standard 42" curves. The GSE GG-1's are very robust and powerful. The bodies are cast aluminum and uses 2 large motors for power. It can pull most anything. They came in Tuscan brown and Brunswick green.
Gold Standard Engineering GG-1
The most popular was the John Daniel's Railway Lines (not JAD) GG-1. Built starting around 1979, he made them in 4 color schemes. He introduced heavyweight passenger cars to go with it. These are nicely done, albeit the stubby appearance is similar to the postwar Lionel version. The bodies are a resin and the dual motors are from McCoy underfloor trolley motors with cast side frames. This is the weak link as these motor frame would swell over time and render the motors useless. Even with good motors, the 5-car set was too much for it to pull.
John Daniel's Railway Lines GG-1
Less popular were the Forney GG-1's. Red Forney made his with body filler over a steel frame. They are about as long as the GSE GG-1, but have a flat-top appearance. He used Lionel Bild-A-Loco motors in them, first with 2 motors than 3.
Forney GG-1
That is a brief synopsis of the standard gauge GG-1. There are plenty more that have been made by craftsmen and individuals, but not commercially available. The GG-1 has always been one of those "gotta have it in SG" items.
Riki, I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions.
ARNO
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For the record, I brought the GG-1 to Monroeville, PA to run. You can see it running in this video around the 7:15 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odk8nd043Sc
ARNO
moderneraSG,
Thanks so much for all your information about Standard gauge GG1's.
I really like the one in your video. Who made that one? Was it GSE? It has a much better proportion than the others. One is too stubby (like Lionels) and the other cab is too long.
http://s7.postimg.org/4bbv3mhk...andard_Scale_GG1.jpg
Yes, that is the Gold Standard Engineering GG-1. Very smooth, very powerful.
They can be found in SG or G-gauge as they made them in both gauges.
ARNO
Originally Posted by moderneraSG:
Yes, that is the Gold Standard Engineering GG-1. Very smooth, very powerful.
They can be found in SG or G-gauge as they made them in both gauges.
ARNO
Can these still be ordered? Who would you contact?
Somebody must have the original molds and extra parts.
Since these were made in the United States, do you think Lionel could contract with the manufacturer to offer them on a "special order" basis?
That would be cool!!
So much for the Tuscan 5 Stripe---so much for my memory. Ha,ha,ha.
Norm
MTH made a large scale 1:32 GG-1 several years ago.
Jan
Originally Posted by riki:
Can these still be ordered? Who would you contact?
Somebody must have the original molds and extra parts.
Since these were made in the United States, do you think Lionel could contract with the manufacturer to offer them on a "special order" basis?
These were made in the 1970's and have all been sold. They were basically all hand made in a garage shop in southern California.The parts have been depleted.
Hardly a chance that Lionel would contract for them.
You can find them on the open market if you keep your eyes open... for long periods of time!
ARNO
Originally Posted by Jan:
MTH made a large scale 1:32 GG-1 several years ago.
Jan
Yeah, but that's G scale an that won't run on Standard gauge track. You'd have to move the drivers out to fit Standard gauge track. I don't think that's doable.
Arno, that's a particularly nice video, a lot of creative standard gauge there. Love the tall green cartoon steam loco.
That GG1 you ran in Monroeville in that video, is that the same one you had at your table at York in 2012?
david
Arno,
Your Standard Gauge layout and GG1 is just plain incredible, and thanks for the great video! One of the nicest layouts I have ever seen, liked it better than any of the stuff I saw in Germany or Switzerland, your layout is top shelf stuff. Congrats
PCRR/Dave
Originally Posted by hojack:
That GG1 you ran in Monroeville in that video, is that the same one you had at your table at York in 2012?
david
No, that was yet another one. It had a sound system and the only one with an engineer in the cab. I will say it didn't come home with me!
ARNO
Originally Posted by Pine Creek Railroad:
Arno,
Your Standard Gauge layout and GG1 is just plain incredible, and thanks for the great video! One of the nicest layouts I have ever seen, liked it better than any of the stuff I saw in Germany or Switzerland, your layout is top shelf stuff. Congrats
PCRR/Dave
Dave, The video is of the SGMA's layout (Standard Gauge Module Association) of which I am a member. Even though I don't own any modules, they let me bring some junk to run!
Look for more SGMA videos on the Youtube. Dulles in 2010 was one of my favorites and our largest set-up.
ARNO
Here is a better video from the same show. Something happened with the video Ken shot and he did a lot of work just to make it viewable.
This video was shot and posted on You Tube by a random guest at the show.
Thought I would bring back this post for those of you who missed it. Arno shares some great info about standard gauge GG1's.
George
Do they still bring the Standard gauge modules to the Pgh. shows ?? I would like to see them.
Keep your eyes open at the TCA National this year in Pittsburgh.
Jim Waterman
There was one on ebay just recently , black and silver Pennsylvania. I believe it was a JAD. The seller is from NY. I had it on my watch list and it did not sell.
JohnnieWalker posted:There was one on ebay just recently , black and silver Pennsylvania. I believe it was a JAD. The seller is from NY. I had it on my watch list and it did not sell.
It didn't run, the motors were rotted from zinc pest, and his asking price was twice what it was worth.
It was a John Daniels Railway GG-1, not JAD. JAD didn't make a GG-1.
These can be re-motored, but it takes some machining skill.
david
Jim Waterman posted:Keep your eyes open at the TCA National this year in Pittsburgh.
Jim Waterman
Doing my first TCA Convention this year so I look forward to seeing you guys.
Steve
hojack posted:JohnnieWalker posted:There was one on ebay just recently , black and silver Pennsylvania. I believe it was a JAD. The seller is from NY. I had it on my watch list and it did not sell.
It didn't run, the motors were rotted from zinc pest, and his asking price was twice what it was worth.
It was a John Daniels Railway GG-1, not JAD. JAD didn't make a GG-1.
These can be re-motored, but it takes some machining skill.
david
I was watching this one too--the seller wanted way too much for it IMO given the work it's going to need.
Anyone have any idea what one of those Gold Standard Engineering GG1 models is currently worth? Anybody seen one sell lately?
I don't know about those Gold Standard engines. Jim Waterman just produced some standard gauge GG1's to order.
Perhaps he can help you out. There is another thread someplace about his engine.
Norm
I appreciate the word on Jim Waterman, but I am only interested in finding out about the Gold Standard GG1’s. They were made right in my backyard, as I live in So. California, but I cannot remember ever meeting Bob Hendrich, even though we were both TCA members.
This is an interesting paragraph from the write up TCA Western Division did on Bob Hendrich of Gold Standard Engineering and his GG1:
”The patterns for the cast bronze trucks with steel wheels were straightforward and went well. Motors were no problem either. Bob had always planned to use commercially available motors and these 1/35 HP 12 volt universal motors had two field windings, twelve poles on the armature and spherical self-aligning bronze bushings on a quarter inch diameter ground steel shaft. The gears were industrial steel gears and Bob was certain that they would last for many years. All twelve wheels in the power trucks were geared and driven via the worm drive. The wheels and axles were turned from cold-rolled steel bar and it was just inconceivable that anyone could ever run an engine enough to show any wear. The prototype was tested thoroughly and it pulled as many as 26 cars, which was all Bob had or could borrow, around the layout of Gargraves track in his garage. This was a far cry from its first run which was over regular tinplate track, laid out on the front lawn. Only after the first run was it noticed that the gears were full of grass and weeds, but the power never dropped off! It was however the first and last time it was run on the lawn. Bob lived in Glendora, CA and he made most of his trains there in his Southern California home.”
Read the whole story at: http://www.tcawestern.org/gold.htm
