Hi All,
my Long awaited Sunset models Santa Fe E1’s are on the way to me to pull the 1938 Super Chief! Anybody receive theirs yet? I’ll post pics when mine arrive. Very excited to finally receive them.
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Did you get the early or late scheme? I went with the early for my 1938 set just for something different
@Surefire posted:Did you get the early or late scheme? I went with the early for my 1938 set just for something different
Nice! I went with the late era. I collect pre-and post war so that was the deciding factor for me as to which scheme to get.
Anybody know exactly when they were repainted from early to late?
Waiting for the early version here in Rhode Island. I have never ordered a Sunset model, for some reason I had to have this one. My second (SD40-2) in the Kodachrome livery is also on order.
Anything I should know about these engines since I've never owned one of their products? Things like smoke fluid priming and smoke output / initial grease or oil needed / operational quirks come to mind.
Paul
From the East Coast . . . my late B & O EA pair is supposed to be here Thursday. :-)
On a related note, got a UPS tag today for my Hiawatha cars order but no delivery date yet, so they haven't been picked up . . . but soon.
Both E1 (early) and EA (early) were apparently picked up by the shipper today, per the tracking data. The watch begins!
Waiting for the early version here in Rhode Island. I have never ordered a Sunset model, for some reason I had to have this one. My second (SD40-2) in the Kodachrome livery is also on order.
Anything I should know about these engines since I've never owned one of their products? Things like smoke fluid priming and smoke output / initial grease or oil needed / operational quirks come to mind.
Paul
If you are getting the 3 rail ERR version NOTE the battery is installed by the factory. It is WISE for you to remove the 9v battery and replace it with the YLB [Your Last Battery - its NOT a battery]. You dont need the battery if running tmcc/legacy but it helps when you go over switches or have an intermittent electrical contact for your Railsounds sound system.
Photos by me from my collection.
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My E1 arrives tomorrow ...... :-)
@Railrunnin posted:Waiting for the early version here in Rhode Island. I have never ordered a Sunset model, for some reason I had to have this one. My second (SD40-2) in the Kodachrome livery is also on order.
Anything I should know about these engines since I've never owned one of their products? Things like smoke fluid priming and smoke output / initial grease or oil needed / operational quirks come to mind.
Paul
In addition to the battery advice above, if running in command control bear in mind that these are TMCC controls using ERR components and with the more advanced sound sets ERR offers. Thus you’ll need to set the ID as per the normal TMCC procedure. The manuals that come with 3rd Rail engines are often a little out of date so by all means read yours but be careful about instructions for things like lash-ups and so forth, especially if using a CAB2.
Whether running in command or conventional and with smoke on, be sure to fill the smoke unit (and carefully) as I have found that the units don’t come pre-filled and many operators of 3rd Rail brass models don’t run with smoke because of the residue it leaves.
My E1 and EA are to arrive Thursday. I’m quite thrilled to have the finally to arrive. Some “welcome” photos will be in order !!! 🙂
They arrived!!!! Some quick photos straight out of the box.
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@GG1 4877 posted:They arrived!!!! Some quick photos straight out of the box.
Absolutely stunning!! Friday can’t come fast enough. Gotta get my Super Chief out...
B&O EA buyers, please post pics when you get yours. 😃
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Absolutely stunning!! Friday can’t come fast enough. Gotta get my Super Chief out...
You are ahead of me! I have to get my Super Chief ......... I might break down and order one now. 
My single level ATSF train is mostly heavyweights.
*** EDIT **** Super Chief orders are closed .... you'd think I'd know these kind of things! 
Maybe I can get on a standby list.
@GG1 4877 posted:You are ahead of me! I have to get my Super Chief ......... I might break down and order one now.
I love my super chiefs. I have the 1938 & the 1951 from GGD. These E1’s with any early super Chief will be a real show stopper!
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:I love my super chiefs. I have the 1938 & the 1951 from GGD. These E1’s with any early super Chief will be a real show stopper!
Most of my Santa Fe is head end equipment and Bi-Level El Capitan cars ..... The E1 could have pulled them in some bizarro universe.
I am hoping for a '51 reissue to go with my El Cap set so I can pull it with any number of locomotives.
@GG1 4877 posted:You are ahead of me! I have to get my Super Chief ......... I might break down and order one now.
*** EDIT **** Super Chief orders are closed .... you'd think I'd know these kind of things!
I thought the 1937 Super Chief was just announced. Reservations should be wide open. The 1938 is long sold out.
My Early B&O EA set is due in on Thursday. I'll do a video and plenty of pictures as soon as I can.
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:I thought the 1937 Super Chief was just announced. Reservations should be wide open. The 1938 is long sold out.
It helps when I actually go to the website and read down a bit ...... my wife will certainly cause me physical harm as a result of this preorder. The '37 Super Chief it perfect to go with these locomotives.
I need a go fund me account not for the trains, but for medical bills.
The 37 Super Chief is a Perfect Offering to compliment the SF E1 - perhaps especially with the “early paint”. IMO. I Had to Have the E1 as it is beautiful and historically significant …. As well as not previously available in “O” (well I’m discounting mostly Very unaffordable, scarce Key Imports offering). However, This now opens up a new bucket of worms I’ve avoided for Decades - needing a modern SF streamlined consist. The streamlined 37 Super Chief will be one and done for me. Thankfully its a 6 car offering and not an 8 as I’m storage space limited and have only a modest 8x12 layout. This will compliment my constructed modest GGD 6 car heavyweight consist.
Those E1s look great, @GG1 4877, as well they should given how much time it took to get them made, not to mention shipped. 
. Kudos to Scott and to you, as I'm sure you had a hand in their development. But I gotta' ask, why are they running through a field of Triffids?
- Mike
They look great Santiago! Good work on the check over on the research. 👍😎👊
@Mike Casatelli posted:Those E1s look great, @GG1 4877, as well they should given how much time it took to get them made, not to mention shipped.
- Mike
Sadly I am reduced to photographing my trains in the Bermuda Common lawn of my backyard these days as I don't have space for a layout. However, I hope to get these running on the Paradise and Pacific club layout in the near future so they can be shown in a more accurate context.
@GG1 4877, I look forward to the new pix!
- Mike
My early set will be here tomorrow. These look gorgeous!
Anybody know when the E1’s were repainted from early (orangy) to late (red?)
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Anybody know when the E1’s were repainted from early (orangy) to late (red?)
I seem to recall reading discussion that this color "change" may have only to do with the old cameras and even hand-colored originally black-and-white photos, and there may not have even been a change in reality. It was the late 30's we're talking about, and there was a considerable difference between then and the 50's, for instance, as far as photographs are concerned. Perhaps an ATSF expert could chime-in.
Either way, I'm still glad Scott made both, as it's awesome to see a model that looks just like the early photographs.
The B&O on the other hand had a notable visual change from early to late, with a substantial change of the chrome nose decoration. Not sure if the change extends beyond that, though.
@Catonsville Central Railway posted:I seem to recall reading discussion that this color "change" may have only to do with the old cameras and even hand-colored originally black-and-white photos, and there may not have even been a change in reality. It was the late 30's we're talking about, and there was a considerable difference between then and the 50's, for instance, as far as photographs are concerned. Perhaps an ATSF expert could chime-in.
Either way, I'm still glad Scott made both, as it's awesome to see a model that looks just like the early photographs.
The B&O on the other hand had a notable visual change from early to late, with a substantial change of the chrome nose decoration. Not sure if the change extends beyond that, though.
I love the orangy look. Scott still has them & I’m resisting the temptation..... thanks for Clarifying and yes hopefully someone can quote a book or send a link to clarify the orangy paint. It makes sense that it could have been hand colored 1930’s photos. I’ve also seen photos of orangy units with pilot steps... a detail not added until the mid 40’s.
My set was scheduled for delivery last Tuesday but UPS truck finally got here today. Just opened to check and it did not have any travel problems. I have several other diesel sets from Scott and this E1 set appears to be the best of the best. My Santa Fe Super Chief passengers have been very lonesome for a long time, but not anymore. In a short time, they will be visiting friends and relatives.
Tommy
Yay !!!! 👍🙂😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜🙂👍
Now the fun begins !!!! 🙃🙂
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Awesome !!!!
More later !!! 😜😜😜
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@TrainBub posted:Yay !!!! 👍🙂😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜🙂👍
Now the fun begins !!!! 🙃🙂
Interesting #51 itself wasn't included as one of the numbers. I wonder if this was done at the request of the B & O Railroad Museum or to prevent everyone from asking to make sure they got #51?
Drum roll for B&O
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@TrainBub posted:Drum roll for B&O
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I have B&O E6’s so I passed on the EA’s.... what a mistake! That’s a work of art! Beautiful!
@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Anybody know when the E1’s were repainted from early (orangy) to late (red?)
From what I could find, the change seems to have occurred during the late1940's. The cover of the 2nd Qtr issue of the SFRH&MS's 'the Warbonnet' shows 2A (later designated as 2L) in the early color. The photo is captioned: "Train 212, The Tulsan rolls through Cherryvale, Kentucky, behind motor 2 on November 28, 1946". In addition, there is a photo in the Society's 'Diesel Locomotive Painting & Lettering Guide' on page 68 captioned: "On October 31, 1948, the 4-Spot sat at San Diego... The unit wore the warm orange/red paint typical of the era."
Regarding the first photo: the term 'Motor" was an AT&SF acronym for a diesel powered unit with cab (i.e., the A unit in EMD terminology). Santa Fe later changed the "A" designation to "L" to the identify the lead cab unit. The number preceding the letter being the numerical road number. The Santa Fe acronym for EMD's "B" was the same at first but changed to "A" when the change to "L" was made for the cab units.
The term 'Spot' in the second photo was Santa Fe's shorthand denoting locomotive road number.
The Santa Fe's E1A's and E1B's were built by EMC between June of 1937 to April of 1938. All were rebuilt to E8m's in 1953 and in 1970 all were traded to EMD for GP38's (except for 3L which was destroyed in 1959).
I ordered the SF early and B&O late. They just arrived ....
Hopefully these phone pics turn out
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@strugglinman posted:I ordered the SF early and B&O late. They just arrived ....
Hopefully these phone pics turn out
Pics turned out great. Thanks for sharing!!
What a masterpiece…what road number did people get? I got #53
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ATSF 7 - already had the 1938 Super Chief passenger set
B&O 54
my wife just gave her approval .. 
Just got mine.
I ordered B&O late, but the B unit is listed as early on the box. Is there a difference, or all the B&O Bs "early?"\
@strugglinman was your "B" listed as "early" on the box?
