Thursday morning at York - anything to do before noon?

Well, as I noted, Marty, I'll continue to attend and thoroughly enjoy the event, just as I have so often done in the past.  

But it sure wouldn't hurt anything--and it may help to greatly enhance overall knowledge and understanding of this great meet, not to mention participation--if a few outdated 20th Century beliefs were modified and adapted to conform to 21st Century reality.

Since I don't have a phone sutured to my ear, I never got that problem,

for if somebody's business was going to collapse without their oversight, they should

have stayed home to manage it.  I'd think texting would be the compromise where

you don't have the guy at the next table screaming into his phone.  Only recently

should cameras become a problem, for old film cameras awaited development

before photos could be released.  Now one presumes you can send a picture of

something for sale to a partner in another hall, saying.."Hey, do you want this?"

Of course, old and new photography raises concerns about privacy and copyrights.

Do you want your boss, when you've called in sick, to see photos of you sitting at

your table in the White Hall looking pretty robust?

If the member lied, he/she deserves exactly what they get.  It's obviously not the TCA Eastern Div.'s responsibility to cover anybody's butt in situations like that.  In fact, they would be doing a better service by unmasking such lies.    Besides, you sacrifice your right to privacy (if it ever really existed in today's world) when you participate in a public event.

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Besides, you sacrifice your right to privacy (if it ever really existed in today's world) when you participate in a public event.

York is not a public event. It is a private event.
Some of us want to kept it that way.

See the threads complaining about buyer / seller behaviors.

I am not certain how allowing photographs at York would be beneficial to "grow the hobby" or increase TCA membership.
Pictures of happy people can be taken outside the halls at any time.
Manufacturers must have other places to take promotional photos of their displays.
The show consists of table after table packed with trains, if a person is into trains they don't need to see the pictures to know what goes on at a train meet. If a person is not into trains, what would be inviting about the pictures?

Not really.  It pretty much lost any claim to that status when it opened membership to anybody with a few bucks in his/her pocket who wanted to join the TCA and attend the meet.  I imagine if any judge was asked to make a determination, it would be labeled as a public event.

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Not really.  It pretty much lost any claim to that status when it opened membership to anybody with a few bucks in his/her pocket who wanted to join the TCA and attend the meet.  I imagine if any judge was asked to make a determination, it would be labeled as a public event.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.

I am not a lawyer, but I do have a basis for my opinion.

Probably a matter of semantics, but it was likely the Pennsylvania official who decides if sales tax has to be collected is the one who determines if its a public or private event.

Pete

Yep, we can disagree.  I just wouldn't want to see the definition actually tested at some point.

I don't even wish to go there.  Some things are best left alone, if at all possible.

They should cancel Thursday and open at 6am on Friday.

I enjoy myself, the place and the people each and every time!

Before noon, go and eat a leisurely lunch.

I stopped at Bob Evans a few years ago.  There was a group at the next table that looked like train guys.  Got to talking with them, and picked up one of the greatest descriptive terms I've ever heard.  They described the guy who stands in the middle of the aisle without moving as the "human cork".  

Bingo. That is the answer. See you Don.

Gerry

"human cork"  Now I like that!  It is sorta like when people get out of their cars

in a shopping mall, and forget that there are people trying to back out of parking

without running over them, and blithely walk behind backing cars, and other words, that they were drivers with the same problem.   There was mention of chatting in

groups before Thursday opening.  Where I don't like groups stopping to chat is

in the aisle and, often seen, at an intersection, blocking four directions of travel

in the halls.  Please hold conventions outside the buildings.  I ain't there for "old

home week": I am there to look for trains.

The original post in this thread inquired about things one might do on Thursday morning before the meet opens at noon.  My advice for most would be to sleep in late, enjoy a leisurely breakfast, and get to the fairgrounds around an hour or so before the doors open so you can score a decent parking space near your primary hall of interest.

Like Don, I enjoy the opportunity to be at the place and to be with the people as much, or more, than I enjoy the trains.  Every York Meet is a good meet.

Breakfast at the Clock then a short trip to B&E Junction train store in York. 

Somehow I knew the noon opening would come under fire here as well. That's pretty much the only York rule I care about keeping, since I am part of the "driver" group that would rather not risk drowsy driving at an ungodly hour in order to make an earlier opening. And it is most definitely not a simple matter of going to bed and waking up 2 hours earlier than normal either. You are still screwing with your established Circadian Rythm (biological clock).

For me personally my pre-show activity this time around will be picking up a full 1948 20th Century Limited set by 3rd Rail and GGD from a forum member. At 60 pounds the shipping and insurance costs would have been insane. Will try to wrap that up quickly so I can join the crew waiting to kick down the Orange Hall doors and score those disappearing "first hour" specials 

Glad you reminded me of that, Marty!  I try to pay a visit to B&E Junction every time I'm in the York area.  Jam-packed with O gauge and run by a nice husband-and-wife team as well.

Sure, B & E Junction at 10 AM with excellent coffee from nearby enclosed market.  Followed by modest chardonnay and excellent crabcakes at Coombs.  Then straight down to the Fairgrounds and the Orange Hall.  First stop, Vince's Trains naturally!

This is going to be fun!

Sounds like a decent plan, Harold.  However, I will have to hit B&E on Tuesday, late afternoon or evening, since that's about all that fits into my current schedule.

Forget the wine, go with scotch, and you'll buy more trains faster.

Gerry

Gerry, as that famous Bay Area philosopher Dirty Harry Callahan said "A Man Must Know His Limitations."

Thursday morning??  

"Brunch" at Bob Evans.  

When I was your age, my biological clock managed just fine with regular all nighters punctuated with a lot of morning coffee to achieve basic functionality, with girls mixed in for good measure.  Don't grow up too soon or you'll turn out like one of these guys who in his 50s buys a Porsche convertible to show off his bald spot and gets himself a new trophy wife and a nice bill from  the divorce attorney to boot!  We have to look out for the younger hobbyists in the fold and point them in the right direction.  ;-)

B&E Junction is not within walking distance of the fairgrounds unless you enjoy very l-o-n-g walks.

Parking there is always a bit of a problem, but if you "explore" the immediate area a bit (I hate all those one-way streets) you usually can score a parking spot within a reasonable distance.  I'm not all that familiar with public parking in the area, but perhaps one of our York citizens will chime in.

As a York resident I can tell you that there is a small parking lot for B&E Junction behind the store.  It is very small but always worth a try.  The closest public lot is at the corner of Philadelphia and Beaver St.  Not bad of a walk, maybe 3 blocks.

Paul Edgar

Drive and eat.

Rick

I scanned this quickly for responses.  Did not see what I will note below....

Here is what I am actually doing:  going to the Harley Davidson Factory for a tour. 

They assemble several Harley models there.  It is a highly automated assembly plant, the employees are really nice and will chat if time permits; it is a guided tour. 

The 'connection' to trains is unique too.  The union that the employees belong to is the same one that represents locomotive assembly plants.

It is on the east side of York, about 1 mile east of I-83 / Route 30 interchange.  It is outrageously priced tour:  free.  I have gone about 5 or 6 times.  Pretty interesting.

Recommend THURSDAY as that is a production day.  Harley went to 10 hr. work days last year, so Fridays are either over time or no production; so the better chance to see an operating assembly line is on Thursday.

http://www.harley-davidson.com...tory_Tours/york.html

Girls absolutely, but for me sleep was always sacred. The all-nighters only happen when I don't plan on doing anything particularly important the next day 

I am sure you guys can find something to do for a couple of hours.

Eat breakfast at many of the places there, then go to wal-mart to do some last minute snack shopping. While there, you can check out some of the bizzare or weirdo Wal-mart shoppers as seen in some you tube videos!LOL!

Thanks Ted, I'll be looking for you at Walmart. 

Bill,

There are some interesting folks that shop at Wal-mart whether it be in York or in the local one here in Howell, NJ! I'll see you there loading up on scrapple.

Thanks, Ted ... but there's not a chance in Hades that I'll be in either of the two Walmarts in York.  Have fun in there shopping!  

RT,

If I forget to buy chips for the evening of imbibing or foeget to bring quarters for the bathroom engineer attendants, I can easily get my change at Wal-Mart while taking in the sights!