Time for Sunset 3rd Rail Santa Fe 5001 Class 2-10-4 - 2019 level of detail - never done before in O scale

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Two reasons I would not purchase - although it's definitely a locomotive worthy of a Sunset/3rd Rail offering.

1) I own an MTH Premier model of Santa Fe #5012. It might not be up to the standard of a Sunset/3rd Rail version but it's quite satisfactory for me.

2) In view of 1) above, I cannot justify the expenditure.

On the other hand, I would purchase a New Haven I-5...

MELGAR

How much $$$ do you think Scott would have to charge for this loco?

Ed

This is great I am in

VintageClassics posted:

Anyone that would like to Chime in? Let's not let this one die...  Let's hear your thoughts Santa Fe Modelers

Well good luck to Ya on this one. I've been trying to get Scott to do the C&O K3/3a with both tenders, as well as, the NYC H-10 a, b, c, d.....

Both versions were "Super Makido's Magnificent"......... 

As far as cost..........?.....It's  What ever the Market will Bare, just like anything else........Just Sayin

0-54 3 rail min radius  and I would buy

Was the 5001 class ever used for passenger service

Hi Marty,

Yes, indeed the 5001 class were used for passenger service. As a matter of fact #5008 would regularly pull passenger engines and #5010 out of Colorado mountainous areas where their extra power and traction came in handy

Also, #5004 would also pull passenger engines from New Mexico to Colorado! 

David

tangoman posted:

0-54 3 rail min radius  and I would buy

Not a chance.
3rd Rail engineers their big steam for O72; I expect that's the smallest radius capability you'd see.

I'd have to agree. The 3rd Rail Big steamers like these do tend to like the wider curves.

That being said.. If this project takes off..  I DEFINITELY would order 2 IF Sunset makes em! 

Did the 5001 class engines ever actually operate over Raton Pass on passenger trains (or any trains), as Vintageclassics says? -- "Also, #5004 would also pull passenger engines from New Mexico to Colorado!"

2-10-2s were used in helper service over Raton Pass, but I didn't think I've ever seen a photo of a 5001 class engine on Raton, nor can I find a reference to such use (which doesn't mean it never happened).

tangoman posted:

0-54 3 rail min radius  and I would buy

This is the sort perspective that brings a smile to those of us who've dabbled some/much of our model railroading lives in HO scale.  An O-54 curve (diameter) in O3R parlance is equivalent to a 13.5" radius in HO.

An HO 2-10-4 navigating a 13.5" curve??   Yeah........right.

Lessee....take the flanges off the wheels on axles 1, 3, and 5, use a rubber band for an engine-tender drawbar, provide for trackside clearance of about 3+ inches.......Hmmmmmmmm......maybe so, maybe so.

Awkward.

tangoman posted:

0-54 3 rail min radius  and I would buy

a scale brass 2-10-4 on 054 curves? you must be joking right!

072 is a minimum.... and mine does NOT like that minimum very much. It makes it around most of them but they better be true 072 and not a variance

It's going to need the O-72 curves with that rigid wheelbase. But it would be very amazing...

Imagine... a ATSF 2-10-4 that's never been done before... with TODAY'S level of detail....

Can only imagine how beautiful those new Sunset 3rd Rail T&P 2-10-4's are gonna be! 

On the 3rd rail web site the T&P 2-10-4  shows a min radius of 48" in 2 rail and 054 in 3 rail

Hmmm... minteresting Mahhhty...  I think It will work if they say it does

What do you guys think?

Happy Railroading! 

I think Gary Schrader does absolutely stunning work.

Regards,

GNNPNUT

IMO, the nicest looking steam locomotive wheel arrangement. Santa Fe 5000’s do it justice for sure!

Gary Shrader does indeed do AMAZING work GNNPNUT

Interestingly... Gary Shrader also did this fabulous review for the SUnset 3rd Rail ATSF 4-8-2 - awesome review!

http://www.3rdrail.com/sf3700-review.html

TM Terry, I have to agree with you.  3rd Rail would do an AMAZING job on them too...

Just had to comment. To me this engine, although very similar to the 5011 Class, has some great features that set it apart. Read the article by Gary Schrader and you will see why he took the effort to build one for himself.

Two obvious things stick out to me.

1. The option of a coal fired version. Accoring to Worley, they lasted to '48. That means two tender choices coal or oil, both different from the 5011 Class.

2. The outside bearing lead engine truck, which I think is great looking, adding nice detail.

I've own 2- 3rd rail 5011's and one MTH version. I like them all, but the 3rd Rail version is superior. Another thing is that 3rd Rail Santa Fe engines have improved greatly over the years and if they did a 5001 Class 2-10-4, it will outclass the 5011 they did early in the 2000's.

Love to see it built. 

I have asked this before, MTH used the same boiler casting for the 5000's and their 2900's that said, how much different were they really?

Thanks Dean

VintageClassics posted:

Anyone that would like to Chime in? Let's not let this one die...  Let's hear your thoughts Santa Fe Modelers

Nope on this one.

Had two 'Nopes' from 3rd Rail already on ATSF:

1) 1800 or 1050 Class 2-6-2's.  Nope. (Scott tried.....'we' Santa Fe Modelers couldn't muster enough demand....project dropped.)

2) 2 Class EMD E-1's...to go with their now-announced 1938 Super Chief with which the E-1's were complemented and celebrated.   Go figure.  (Even celebrated by the USPS on a stamp.....the only iconic diesel so honored)

Too many never-yet-done opportunities to be done before doing upgrades.  Lessee, how many 'upgrade' variations of UP Big Boys, NYC Hudsons/Niagaras, EMC F's, etc., etc., etc., blah, blah have the other players been through by now?   And now we want 3rd Rail to acquire this time-worn bit of shtik?  Why not have other artisans....such as Gary Schrader...offer to commercially upgrade earlier models at a premium price befitting his talent and the limited demand.

And, what then?  All the other owners of prior releases join in the now-popular "Me Too" hysteria of the day......Norfolk Western, Union Pacific, Southern Pacific, B&O, New York Central, etc., etc., etc.....latest-and-greatest detail/paint/sound/control upgrades applied to all former 'lesser grade' releases???   ......while we further wonder where something NEW is?  .....and will it ever be seen in our lifetime?   ....to the delight of a dwindling demographic hobby segment?

And, apparently there's not as many of 'we' Santa Fe Modelers out there to support new projects as are mavens of Virginian's EL-2B mammoth electrics.  Way to go, you VGN guys/gals!!!

Just MHO, mind you.

Lucas Gudinov

Wow! Sunset really did a great job on that engine without "breaking the bank" I do not recall how long ago they imported that engine as I have been out of steam era modeling for a long time. JMO

hibar posted:

Wow! Sunset really did a great job on that engine without "breaking the bank" I do not recall how long ago they imported that engine as I have been out of steam era modeling for a long time. JMO

I agree... They did a phenomenal job, with a tremendous amount of detail, at a reasonable price, and great operation.

Again... I think it's time for Sunset to REGARDLESS, do another ATSF engine... it's been a spell since the last steam engine. And I must say, the 4-8-2's, the 2-10-2's and the 2900 class are out of this world.

What do you guys think?

Count me in for one of these. And for one of Santa Fe's 3460 Hudson class as pictured below.

The latest Email from Scott today shows a full production schedule for 2018, it seems like any new models to be posted for reserve would come in next years schedule. Obviously Scott receives lots of model requests from which he must select models for future reservation, so its all about the number of requests for a given model to even make the reservation list. JMO

Steam Guy posted:

Count me in for one of these. And for one of Santa Fe's 3460 Hudson class as pictured below.

Heck Yeah Steamguy! Count me in also! And I'm totally all about the 3460 Class Hudson as pictured in your photo!

I just did a search on "Brass Trains" website.    Max Grey, US Hobbies, and Precision Scale have all done Santa Fe 2-10-4 models.    Precision was just in 2012 and there are a bunch for sale on the site.    There is just probably no market for another model of this locomotive right now or the near future.   

prrjim posted:

I just did a search on "Brass Trains" website.    Max Grey, US Hobbies, and Precision Scale have all done Santa Fe 2-10-4 models.    Precision was just in 2012 and there are a bunch for sale on the site.    There is just probably no market for another model of this locomotive right now or the near future.   

Hi PRRJIM!

While you are correct that various ATSF 2-10-4's have been done... the 5001 class has never been done. 

Interesting note on the Precision scale engines... I donated my own Hallmark Samhongsa 5001 class #5003 to do the prototypying for the "proposed" models... this was along with many hours of research going through Harrisburg,PA arrchives for Baldwin etc... 

Needless to say, the engines never got produced!

5001 why because I want one

marker posted:

Just had to comment. To me this engine, although very similar to the 5011 Class, has some great features that set it apart. Read the article by Gary Schrader and you will see why he took the effort to build one for himself.

Two obvious things stick out to me.

1. The option of a coal fired version. Accoring to Worley, they lasted to '48. That means two tender choices coal or oil, both different from the 5011 Class.

2. The outside bearing lead engine truck, which I think is great looking, adding nice detail.

I've own 2- 3rd rail 5011's and one MTH version. I like them all, but the 3rd Rail version is superior. Another thing is that 3rd Rail Santa Fe engines have improved greatly over the years and if they did a 5001 Class 2-10-4, it will outclass the 5011 they did early in the 2000's.

Love to see it built. 

 

Just curious, but this looks like a winner for 3rd Rail to do....  Would you guys buy this?

A few people missed out on the 2900 class 4-8-4s, and they sold well, and I love my 2929... Thank you Sunset!  This would be an AWESOME Modern Engine to do...  Just as Howard mentioned...

Imagine... Coal & Oil versions, with the cool lead truck, that hasn't been seen yet.

AND, you can do 1940s or 1938 as built version, with Steam dome and standard plumbing

OR, you could do late 40s and 1950s version with REBUILT boilers, and NO STEAM DOME, High Check Valves, modernized

I would personally buy at least 3 of these if this were offered, and I see others seem to really like the idea of the 5001 class.... 

Great thoughts Howard, and everyone in support... 

David

Hi Guys,

Another significant difference between the 5001 and the 5011 classes was the different style of drivers.  I like the 5001 Baldwin Disc drivers personally over the Boxpok style that the 5011's were equipped with.

Steve

Steam Guy posted:

Hi Guys,

Another significant difference between the 5001 and the 5011 classes was the different style of drivers.  I like the 5001 Baldwin Disc drivers personally over the Boxpok style that the 5011's were equipped with.

Steve

 

I agree Steve,

The Baldwin Disk drivers make this a tantalizing engine, if it would be offered by Sunset... And significant enough to be different than the 5011 class, which is long discontinued and sold out. 

Also, the tenders aside from being available in coal or oil versions, had two styles of trucks

I believe the 5001-5005 were equipped with Buckeye trucks, and 5006-5010 were equipped with Commonwealth tender trucks. 

David

Drivers of the 5021 at the California Railroad Museum in Sacramento.  I’d be in for at least one of the Santa Fe 2-10-4’s.

-Brian

Valpac posted:

Drivers of the 5021 at the California Railroad Museum in Sacramento.  I’d be in for at least one of the Santa Fe 2-10-4’s.

-Brian

So,,,,,,,you didn't get one of the Sunset/3rd Rail models? I know MTH also made the Santa Fe 5011 class 2-10-4 models also.

Put me down for one of the 5001 class  2-10-4. If a coal burning version is offered I’ll buy that one

Steve

OK, which class of 2-10-4s were leasedtote PRR.  Another possible buy in?

The later 5011 class of Santa Fe 2-10-4’s were leased to the PRR

CP and TP used 2-10-4's on passenger trains