Actually it came with a deal I got from the UK .. I figured as I was paying shipping anyway....
@palallin posted:G-Man24: that play/trainset is O! it is obviously not complete, but the pieces there will make some Marx collector VERY happy! They are in very good condition! CTT ran an article about these pieces many years ago; if you want, I can try to dig it out.
Found it! CTT June 1992, pg. 76. Do you have access to it?
GMan24: that Marx “William Crooks” set with the box etc is quite valuable. The bldgs are splendid and even more rare. Auction site for that one for sure!! Loco does turn up occasionally but even without it it’s a valuable piece.
Best of luck
Don
@palallin posted:Found it! CTT June 1992, pg. 76. Do you have access to it?
Is there an online link to view it or you need the hard copy ?
I have the copy sitting next to me on my desk. Do *you* need a copy? I know of no online copy, but I can scan and email (the issue is long out of print).
@palallin posted:I have the copy sitting next to me on my desk. Do *you* need a copy? I know of no online copy, but I can scan and email (the issue is long out of print).
I certainly appreciate the offer and if I were keeping them for myself I'd accept but since I'm just selling these I don't want to put you through the trouble. Thank you though.
By the time I caught this reply, i already had the pages scanned, so I went ahead and emailed it to you. I hope doing so was not too presumptuous. Maybe it will help get max value for you friend if buyers ask you any questions.
@palallin posted:By the time I caught this reply, i already had the pages scanned, so I went ahead and emailed it to you. I hope doing so was not too presumptuous. Maybe it will help get max value for you friend if buyers ask you any questions.
I got the scans Steve, very interesting and fun read. Thanks so much I will pass them along to my friend.
Scott Smith
@Fatman posted:@G-Man24 I found one of the carriages ages ago and the William Crookes Set has been on my radar since then!
@Don McErlean posted:GMan24: that Marx “William Crooks” set with the box etc is quite valuable.
I have to admit when you guys were calling it William Crooks I was confused. A quick Google search and I realized that Marx had re-branded the set as "Tales of Wells Fargo" I also see the same set was marketed as "Pioneer Old Fashioned Train Set".
Then I remembered a broken piece of plastic that was in the bottom of the box of stuff. It said Wm. Cro..... but it didn't look like it broke off the Wells Fargo tender so I had no idea where it came from. Now it all makes sense...
I'm afraid it also answers what happed to the Locomotive, apparently it met an unceremonious demise.
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One of the Ives 3251s recently returned to running order is this Series 3 version:
A strong runner, it's pretty battered in its current form, to the extent it's missing a door on one side and the bell is long gone. While I'm long past a time where I wanted things to be pristine, I'm seriously thinking of giving this a refurb, i.e. a strip and repaint after a bit of straightening and dent removal. It never occurred to me that the cab doors on these things were a separate piece of metal soldered into place.
PD
Ok Tinplate fans, today I am offering something quite different. It is an engine from my small collection of lithographed tin toys. This is a Diesel Switcher (Road type switcher of the GP type) by Masudaya of Japan. This is a brute! It is 17" long, 4" high (not including the horns) and 3 1/2 " wide. It does have flanged wheels and the gauge is 2 1/2 " that is 3/4" larger than "G" gauge. IAW the box this toy has..."mystery action" (whatever that is), realistic whistle (for a diesel?), engine sound, and headlight. It is powered by 3 "D" batteries. This dates from the 1960's which was a golden era in Japanese lithographed tin plate and I think you will agree they did a marvelous job on this item. I also liked the slogan of the manufacturer...it was printed on the box..." For the Children of the World from...Masudaya" Their trademark by the way, which you may recognize from other toys is "TM" in a diamond shaped logo.
Here she is with her box from the side. The "N?W" notation is either N&W perhaps meaning Norfolk and Western or NEW just meaning that it was new. I cannot really interpret the stylized "E" between the N and W.
View from the front quarter showing the "headlight" and the multi-color lithography
Here from the rear or end of the long hood,
A couple of top views showing that the lithography continues on all sides plus add on fans , Horn, and vent
The side of the box ...by the way the caution reads..."Ages 3 and Up" luckily I qualify.
I included the close up of the cab area to illustrate the quality of the lithography done in Japan at this time. Multiple colors, peoples faces, rivets, stripping, vents (in two colors),treads etc. Quite elaborate.
Well its strange, not exactly a common toy train maker but it is tinplate! Best wishes
Don
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Nice engine Don, looks very good. Since a long time I was thinking to get one and install a Lionel Standard Gauge BAL motor on. Not sure if it could be done but there must be a lot of space in the inside.... a sort of never made fun loco....
Very best, Daniel
@Don McErlean posted:Ok Tinplate fans, today I am offering something quite different. It is an engine from my small collection of lithographed tin toys. This is a Diesel Switcher (Road type switcher of the GP type) by Masudaya of Japan. This is a brute! It is 17" long, 4" high (not including the horns) and 3 1/2 " wide. It does have flanged wheels and the gauge is 2 1/2 " that is 3/4" larger than "G" gauge. IAW the box this toy has..."mystery action" (whatever that is), realistic whistle (for a diesel?), engine sound, and headlight. It is powered by 3 "D" batteries. This dates from the 1960's which was a golden era in Japanese lithographed tin plate and I think you will agree they did a marvelous job on this item. I also liked the slogan of the manufacturer...it was printed on the box..." For the Children of the World from...Masudaya" Their trademark by the way, which you may recognize from other toys is "TM" in a diamond shaped logo.
Here she is with her box from the side. The "N?W" notation is either N&W perhaps meaning Norfolk and Western or NEW just meaning that it was new. I cannot really interpret the stylized "E" between the N and W.
View from the front quarter showing the "headlight" and the multi-color lithography
Here from the rear or end of the long hood,
A couple of top views showing that the lithography continues on all sides plus add on fans , Horn, and vent
The side of the box ...by the way the caution reads..."Ages 3 and Up" luckily I qualify.
I included the close up of the cab area to illustrate the quality of the lithography done in Japan at this time. Multiple colors, peoples faces, rivets, stripping, vents (in two colors),treads etc. Quite elaborate.
Well its strange, not exactly a common toy train maker but it is tinplate! Best wishes
Don
I would love to stuff a STD Gauge motor in one of those😜🤪
Steve
Daniel / Steve : Thanks for your comments. I agree, putting a std gauge motor into an engine like this would be fun. There is no doubt that there is room in the body for anything you might need and the gauge is not too far already from the 2 1/4 " of Standard Gauge.
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Daniel / Steve : Thanks for your comments. I agree, putting a std gauge motor into an engine like this would be fun. There is no doubt that there is room in the body for anything you might need and the gauge is not too far already from the 2 1/4 " of Standard Gauge.
Don
Do the trucks/wheel sets swivel? or would one have to heavily modify the frame?
NWL
NWL : No the truck frames swivel. Moving in a curve is part of the "mystery action" listed on the box. The gauge is wrong by about 1/4" from std gauge although the wheel sets are flanged.
Don
Lovely pickup Don ... these pieces from Masudaya are works of art !
The trademark can be confusing as it stands for Trade Mark, Modern Toys... lol so its an initial for both but mainly abbreviated to Modern Toys (MT)
@Don McErlean posted:
Don
That's a beautiful piece Don, love the lithography!
This is the type of thing I had in mind when I asked if anyone was interested in a tinplate first or second generation diesel in O gauge. I think a tinplate gp9 would be cool.
Fatman / jhz563 : Thanks for your comments on my Masudaya. Trademark is certainly confusing but appreciate the information. jhz...I would agree, a lithograph GP type diesel in 0 gauge would be really neat. The flat sides would give you plenty of room to make the design and the colorful liveries of the past would make for a neat engine.
Best Wishes
Don
@Don McErlean posted:Fatman / jhz563 : Thanks for your comments on my Masudaya. Trademark is certainly confusing but appreciate the information. jhz...I would agree, a lithograph GP type diesel in 0 gauge would be really neat. The flat sides would give you plenty of room to make the design and the colorful liveries of the past would make for a neat engine.
Best Wishes
Don
If you search ebay, you will find that they also made an identical engine in the Santa Fe livery.
NWL : Will take a look might have to add another? Don
Bad News @Don McErlean !!!!
I found another livery of these which I have never seen before ... on a Dutch Marketplaas lol
Just fresh from an attic in France this little 240 loco made by JEP. It was the entry level model in electric from 1933-37 and has seen many variations. It has no reverse so forward only and the matching cars are simple for passengers and classic JEP for freight sets. It can be found with different types of tenders, piping on the loco, with or without front lights depending of the type of current used, only low voltage of 20v have a front light. Couplers may also be of several types.
Those little locos are not very sought after and under appreciated by JEP collectors even if they could be fun to search and not expensive. They where also made in clockwork so a lot of variations to discover....
Here are some different ones with their sets,
Daniel
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Daniel : The JEP loco's are neat and I have not seen them before except in some book pictures. I like the little ones myself, because it think it likely that because they were cheaper, Mom & Dad are more likely to have purchased them for their children and hence they were really played with...so have a history. Thanks for sharing.
OBTW I just purchased the new book "Hornby Trains in France" by Chris Graebe. If you have not seen it you should take a look, the pictures are beautiful, full color, etc and complete with a reasonable history of when they were manufactured. I found my copy on e-bay from Chris himself and it came with a signed memo!
Best wishes
Don
Hello Don, small models are as interesting to collect than the big ones. They where more affordable in their time by modest families and have been priced by their previous owners, you are so right. The Hornby book on French models is a must have, sure you will enjoy it.
From the same attic also came this one, unfortunately tender is missing but I will find one. She came with her matching passenger car. I already have the same model so I will not keep this one. It is a streamlined model from 1935, very popular little 240 loco which has been made in lithos and painted brown, the first models are stamped NORD and as the old railways companies became the SNCF in that same year the lettering was very fast changed for it.
And finally best of all was this JEP electric loco from the Paris-Orleans railways. Came with her box which is fine, unfortunately no passenger cars.... this model is the 1938 version and as I didn't have this variation that is one more in the collection....now the attic is empty and all the missing trains have certainly been trashed a long time ago. Finally those ones are saved and will be preserved.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
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...and here (I think) is the SNCF version.
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@Robert S. Butler posted:...and here (I think) is the SNCF version.
Yes, the latest model with smoke deflectors. The modernised one.
Just after the NORD model JEP has made this one which is identical except now with SNCF. All those models have been sold with different types of motos and also in clockwork models...
Daniel
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Looking at these wonderful little toys, one wonders how they survived the catastrophe that descended just a few years later. A true miracle.
PD
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@FRENCHTRAINS/ @Robert S. Butler : Those JEP trains are really neat, the "modern" streamlining of steamers parallels what was going on in the US in the 1930's with locomotive streamlining...really great to see. Thank you for posting. I have the French Hornby example of the PO locomotive but in Hornby it was (unrealistically) an 0-4-0 and based on what Daniel posted, the headlight is in the wrong place!
Best wishes
Don
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@Don McErlean very nice French Hornby! And agree with you regarding @Robert S. Butler and @FRENCHTRAINS JeP! I almost picked some up at a train show on Sunday but arrived late and it was packed away after my first go around. I love the size and uniqueness of not only JeP but Hornby as well. While I don't have any of either in significant numbers, they're certainly distinct from the Central European offerings- in a good way
It's been awhile since I posted in tinplate. Here are some items I've gotten recently:
Prewar Flyer 1115 Automobile car- I believe that the doors or roof aren't original to the car. Lionel/Ives transformer station sans transformer and a Bing Illinois Central Boxcar. All in pretty good shape except for the doors of the Illinois Central
In addition to the station transformer above, these are the other 3 tinplate items I bought at the show on Sunday- almost all bodies/housing have either no nicks/scratches or very few!
Hoge Tom Thumb Powerhouse with original transformer(on the inside) and chord intact, roof has some bent portions but for $10 thought it was a decent deal
Ives Lehigh Valley RR boxcar- also got it for a low priced to the seller saying the roof isn't original- although it doesn't appear it's not original, it's also pretty scuffed. Appears to be a version produced between 1920-1925 judging by the trucks and paint.
Ives N.Y.C. & H.R. 128 gondola. Nice, larger size that looks great with prewar 800/2800 series Lionel. Two red crossbars, cream color
Lastly, side shot of the Tom Thumb Power House showing the control for the transformer
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@StevefromPA posted:It's been awhile since I posted in tinplate. Here are some items I've gotten recently:
Prewar Flyer 1115 Automobile car- I believe that the doors or roof aren't original to the car.
I would guess that your Flyer boxcar is 100% original. Flyer was simply using up various colored lithograph doors to get rid of them and your car appears to have gotten a set of blue doors. Here is a picture of mine with the same trucks/frame/roof. Although it has green doors, I have differing variations with brown litho doors, orange litho doors, and red litho doors.
Did someone mention blue doors???? Oh yes, definitely.
...and let's not forget green painted doors - it looks like they ran out of litho doors before they ran out of litho boxcars way back when.
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Steve from PA : Here is my 1115. It appears to be like the one just below NWL's in the picture in his response. No journal boxes, no brake wheel, lithographed ladder and black frame. 8 wheel car was made from 1919-1929. The cars with the lithographed ladder and no brake wheel or journals were the earlier cars. The one's like yours and NWL pictured are later '29-30 and Flyer put the "add on" ladder right over the lithographed ladder. However I agree, the car you have appears to be original. Don
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I guess if we are posting door colors of the 1115 orange litho cars, here are a few more
Brown
Red
Green Painted
Orange Painted
Orange Litho Dark. Note this car has white lettering instead of black lettering.
Orange Litho Light
NWL
@Don McErlean posted:Steve from PA : Here is my 1115. It appears to be like the one just below NWL's in the picture in his response. No journal boxes, no brake wheel, lithographed ladder and black frame. 8 wheel car was made from 1919-1929. The cars with the lithographed ladder and no brake wheel or journals were the earlier cars.
Don,
Actually, the lithographed cars with the brass ladders, journals, and brakewheels are from 1930 and after, the gray 8-wheel trucks are the key, as they were not produced until 1930. I believe the 1930 catalog indicates "brightly colored cars with brass trim" and the 1931 catalog states "enameled" for a description, as the artwork did not change.
The 4 wheel lithographed freight cars were sold at least through 1935/1936 in various low priced/uncataloged sets, as at least a couple of the cars in my post date to the mid-1930s. Some of the late 4 wheel cars come with the brass trim and some come without the brass trim.
NWL
@FRENCHTRAINS posted:
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
Love that wagon, colors are great. !
