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I got my Menard's Penn Central box car today. I opened the box and found my free trees (nice BTW) and a brown box of the PC box car. I opened the box and what I feared was true!!!! The Penn Central box cars was not any shade of green but Sky Blue!!!! 

 

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OK....I was kinda kidding. Someone must have crossed items in China. And not sure a packer would know a GN from a PC. I have not even contacted Menard's yet. I am sure we will work it out. All this is to offset my disappointment I STILL don't have a PC box car to weather this weekend......The GN car is a pretty Big Sky Blue!!!  

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OK...I think my spoof of the error in shipping fell flat. 

I will tell you these slightly improved Menard's box cars are realy nice. The all metal trucks do NOT have the thumbtack uncoupler but the plate between axles.  Some asked about hollow wheels. the Menard's wheels have a VERY slight concave back surface but NOTHING like the old MPC hollow wheels. The Menard's look like a nice nickel plate or close. The painted door rails help so much and move these cars up a notch or TWO! And the added graphics are nice. Some have complained about the 'Built by Menard's 2017' by the door. I hate to show this....kinda like I am putting Menard;s down for it....I am not....but as a High Rail runner I wanted to see if I could remove it. Having worked in the die cast model car biz for a while I had a trick for removing graphics. I used a 1500 grit sanding stick with some water to gently remove the logo. WARNING...your results may vary....I did this A LOT!!! Your stick may cause harm.....try at your risk. OK...legal stuff out of the way....

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A slight difference in gloss value...but I'll weather it and no one will know!!!

UPDATE: Menard's has already fixed the mix up and I am blown away with their customer service. 

Menard's is doing something different in today' business world. They are leading by risk. Henry Ford did this. He set a price for the Model T and told his staff to make a profit at that price....they said they could not and he said he'd find folks that could. Menard's is doing the same, in a way. The model train market is very different than it was 50 years ago......different than even 20 years ago. But they are figuring out how to make things work,. It's a good time to be in this hobby. Thanks

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AMCDave posted:

OK...I think my spoof of the error in shipping fell flat. 

UPDATE: Menard's has already fixed the mix up and I am blown away with their customer service. 

Menard's is doing something different in today' business world. They are leading by risk. Henry Ford did this. He set a price for the Model T and told his staff to make a profit at that price....they said they could not and he said he'd find folks that could. Menard's is doing the same, in a way. The model train market is very different than it was 50 years ago......different than even 20 years ago. But they are figuring out how to make things work,. It's a good time to be in this hobby. Thanks

Dave,

I think maybe an image of the roof and label also showing the side would have helped.

Menards has really injected some life into 3Rail with their cars, track, and structures.

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Goshawk posted:

Oops! I'm sure they will make it right! I wouldn't call that a shipping mistake. Packaging maybe... This little mistake could not have been more perfect with the discussion about the color.

You're right. When I first opened the box car I did not even see the big goat.......all I saw was blue!!! Funny how our mind works. And yes.....Menard's already fixed it.  It's all good!!!

AMCDave posted:

OK...I think my spoof of the error in shipping fell flat. 

I will tell you these slightly improved Menard's box cars are realy nice. The all metal trucks do NOT have the thumbtack uncoupler but the plate between axles.  Some asked about hollow wheels. the Menard's wheels have a VERY slight concave back surface but NOTHING like the old MPC hollow wheels. The Menard's look like a nice nickel plate or close. The painted door rails help so much and move these cars up a notch or TWO! And the added graphics are nice. Some have complained about the 'Built by Menard's 2017' by the door. I hate to show this....kinda like I am putting Menard;s down for it....I am not....but as a High Rail runner I wanted to see if I could remove it. Having worked in the die cast model car biz for a while I had a trick for removing graphics. I used a 1500 grit sanding stick with some water to gently remove the logo. WARNING...your results may vary....I did this A LOT!!! Your stick may cause harm.....try at your risk. OK...legal stuff out of the way....

menards4menards5

A slight difference in gloss value...but I'll weather it and no one will know!!!

UPDATE: Menard's has already fixed the mix up and I am blown away with their customer service. 

Menard's is doing something different in today' business world. They are leading by risk. Henry Ford did this. He set a price for the Model T and told his staff to make a profit at that price....they said they could not and he said he'd find folks that could. Menard's is doing the same, in a way. The model train market is very different than it was 50 years ago......different than even 20 years ago. But they are figuring out how to make things work,. It's a good time to be in this hobby. Thanks

Hello guys and gals........

Is the Dark blue Chessie boxcar have the painted door guides as that dark blue body makes me want to order my first Menard boxcar.  Can the truck be disassembled to have the wheel sets face painted black ?  I kinda like the "Menard" label so I would leave it on. How much do they charge for shipping if order online and ship to home ?

Tiffany

Tiffany posted

 

 

Hello guys and gals........

Is the Dark blue Chessie boxcar have the painted door guides as that dark blue body makes me want to order my first Menard boxcar.  Can the truck be disassembled to have the wheel sets face painted black ?  I kinda like the "Menard" label so I would leave it on. How much do they charge for shipping if order online and ship to home ?

Tiffany

I think shipping may vary by location......but my box car and trees were delivered for about $34. I've had a wheel set come out in shipping and I was able to re-install with ease.....so they should come out. The stock color is better on a layout than photos.  Well worth the price.

AMCDave posted:
Tiffany posted

 

 

Hello guys and gals........

Is the Dark blue Chessie boxcar have the painted door guides as that dark blue body makes me want to order my first Menard boxcar.  Can the truck be disassembled to have the wheel sets face painted black ?  I kinda like the "Menard" label so I would leave it on. How much do they charge for shipping if order online and ship to home ?

Tiffany

I think shipping may vary by location......but my box car and trees were delivered for about $34. I've had a wheel set come out in shipping and I was able to re-install with ease.....so they should come out. The stock color is better on a layout than photos.  Well worth the price.

Hello Guys and Gals

Is the price of 34 dollars for shipping INCLUDING the price of the boxcar itself ? like 19.99 for the boxcar and 14.01 for shipping is that correct ? I have to be "El Cheapo" now days due to my fixed income so price is a big deal to me.  The wheel sets coming out is not problem for me, I can fix with small washers (looks like need about 4 washers per axle to take up the slop) but the chrome finish of the wheel sets kinda looks funny.   I see the truck sides are assembled with machine screws (a good thing) unlike the lionel's truck sides are staked on !! (not good).  I really like that Menard's dark blue Chessie boxcar !!!

Tiffany

 

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Must congratulate Menards for making trains affordable again. They sell box cars with metal trucks for $19.95. Assuming std profit they should cost Menards $10 to buy in Asia. If they can make a profit at $19.95 retail then I question  why the other train importers are listing their boxcars at $79.00?  Can anyone provide a logical answer?

Dennis LaGrua posted:

Must congratulate Menards for making trains affordable again. They sell box cars with metal trucks for $19.95. Assuming std profit they should cost Menards $10 to buy in Asia. If they can make a profit at $19.95 retail then I question  why the other train importers are listing their boxcars at $79.00?  Can anyone provide a logical answer?

Watch out!!!!  I asked that question about 10 years ago and got beat up pretty good!!!  And ten years ago it seemed more viable then then now!

But to be fair.....I agree that a smaller 40 ft box car with simple details should be in the $20-25 range when a much more complex die cast model car, with more parts and more detail, sells for $10. (this is the photo I used back then in that post)

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What a wild chance I used a WbB 40 ft box car!!!!  Add just a little detail to box car frame, corner steps, ladders and other details and price jumps big for a number of reasons. Change to a 50 or 60 foot car....add more.

I do feel some items are priced today at what is called 'what the market will bear' method. And yes....I am ready to be beat up again......and maybe Menard's will prove me right again. thx

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Dennis LaGrua posted:

Must congratulate Menards for making trains affordable again. They sell box cars with metal trucks for $19.95. Assuming std profit they should cost Menards $10 to buy in Asia. If they can make a profit at $19.95 retail then I question  why the other train importers are listing their boxcars at $79.00?  Can anyone provide a logical answer?

Bankruptcies  mysterious Fires and Litigation bills

Competition, quality, brand loyalty drive prices to what the market will bear.  Low prices, outstanding customer service and solid products are the best of all worlds.  Mernards has hit the nail right on the head in the train market.  If only more people knew about their train offerings the hobby might actually grow.  Go to York or a hobby store and you'd never know there are great alternatives to what is in front of you.  I am very impressed with Mernards.  BigRail

TShearer posted:
Dennis LaGrua posted:

Must congratulate Menards for making trains affordable again. They sell box cars with metal trucks for $19.95. Assuming std profit they should cost Menards $10 to buy in Asia. If they can make a profit at $19.95 retail then I question  why the other train importers are listing their boxcars at $79.00?  Can anyone provide a logical answer?

Bankruptcies  mysterious Fires and Litigation bills

hello guys and gals.......

No, its GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tiffany

AMC Dave, It's very hard to see the car number in your photo. But that car looks to me like an Industrial Rail reefer and if the car is numbered #14743, well, that's also an UMD car number. The trucks, also hard to see, look more like UMD trucks and not the postwar copy the Williams trucks were.

Tiffany, it's not greed. Menards has other sources of revenue and do not make complete entire product lines as do Lionel and MTH. Nor do they have the same R&D and tooling costs, or technology investments. And because they sell direct, they do not have the same mark ups due to the distributor network and then also the dealer network on top of that.

United Model Distributors, (original maker of the Industrial Rail cars) had a similar advantage in that they were a distributor having the trains made for them. So although they had R&D and tooling costs, they didn't have the distributor mark up.

That said, I agree Lionel has priced themselves out of the traditional market for many traditional customers. I want to buy traditional train cars, and not make a subsidy payment for the tooling for new scale products. Nothing against those products, but we all know the prices for traditional Lionel train cars is nearly equal to, and sometimes more than new scale products. For example, the new LionScale cars, made in the USA, are priced less than a traditional car with die-cast trucks, and not far above a traditional car with plastic trucks, made overseas from tooling long ago paid for.

But I don't run the Lionel company. They can do as they see necessary. But as a train consumer, I have the same prerogative. Fortunately for me, there are many other choices on the secondary market for traditional rolling stock instead of new Lionel.

And for many, Menards has become one of those options, to which we should all be thankful. This is a side business for Menards, that they could probably just as easily do without.

Also, remember this when you post your long lists of products you want to see Menards make. They're currently doing things slow and progressively steady, seeing what the market will support and thus, also helping contribute to their retail pricing. Notice that even with Menards, their long flat car from new tooling, costs more than the box car or shorter traditionally sized flat car. Regardless of the name printed on the product box, new tooling is expensive for all the train companies, given the overall small market that this is. Precision R&D to get an accurately scaled product adds even more costs.

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