Wasatch California Zephyr

What are the prototype cars for these models?

I'd be interested in a Wasatch Zephyr. Are the sets able to be purchased in a single roadname? Either all CB&Q, WP or DRG?

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I often am, but the California Zephyr never ran under a single road name correct?  It was a combination of the three major roads, plus through sleepers from the PRR and NYC wasn't it?

As much as I'd like to think I am in the market for this level of quality and train, my wife will tell me otherwise.  My Sunset E5 will have to wait for something closer to my pay grade.

@GG1 4877 posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I often am, but the California Zephyr never ran under a single road name correct?  It was a combination of the three major roads, plus through sleepers from the PRR and NYC wasn't it?

As much as I'd like to think I am in the market for this level of quality and train, my wife will tell me otherwise.  My Sunset E5 will have to wait for something closer to my pay grade.

You're 100% correct Jonathan. I am likely the only one hunting a one-named set (CB&Q nut). While I know it is not prototypical and looks wrong, I can't help but run one of my favorite roads in a single roadname.

I'd be posing the same question to Scott if he was running a set.

Chris

@GG1 4877 posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I often am, but the California Zephyr never ran under a single road name correct?

Not exactly. Yes, every car carried the name "California Zephyr" in the car's letter board, however at the ends of every car were the individual railroads initials that owned THAT car, i.e. "CB&Q", "D&RGW" and "WP". Thus, a modeler could, in fact, operate a complete CB&Q California Zephyr, with ONLY CB&Q designated cars with their proper names (CZ passenger cars did NOT carry numbers).

It was a combination of the three major roads, plus through sleepers from the PRR and NYC wasn't it?

As much as I'd like to think I am in the market for this level of quality and train, my wife will tell me otherwise.  My Sunset E5 will have to wait for something closer to my pay grade.

@GG1 4877 posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I often am, but the California Zephyr never ran under a single road name correct?  It was a combination of the three major roads, plus through sleepers from the PRR and NYC wasn't it?

As much as I'd like to think I am in the market for this level of quality and train, my wife will tell me otherwise.  My Sunset E5 will have to wait for something closer to my pay grade.

During peak season or for tour groups, it wasn't unusual for "alien" cars to be in the CZ consists.

Plus, the Pennsylvania did own a matching Budd 10-6 sleeper, Silver Rapids.

Rusty

Confirming what Rusty said in his post above, I rode the eastbound California Zephyr in July of 1964 (I was 13 years old at the time) and because it was the busy summer season, we were assigned to a Chesapeake & Ohio 10 Roomette/6 Double Bedroom sleeper, “City of Grand Rapids” (#2636), (Pullman built) which was in the consist that day, rather than a regular CZ car.  I recall my mother being disappointed since she didn’t think it was as nice as the Budd stainless steel cars.

All Rapid series sleepers are PRR cars.  That much I know.   I don't want to derail this thread, but I am in the market for a mixed secondary CB&Q train for my E5.  Something with lots of head end cars and a blend of heavyweights and streamlined cars with Burlington in the main letterboard.

I'll now return everyone to the regularly scheduled thread on a train that will turn out in every way the Atlas offering did not.

@vash44 posted:

I'd be interested in a Wasatch Zephyr. Are the sets able to be purchased in a single roadname? Either all CB&Q, WP or DRG?

Yes, simply let them know.

@rdunniii posted:

Well, Key has dropped out and Wasatch is taking over with the same Korean builder who made the Key Cab Forwards and is currently building European passenger cars for the, wait for it, European market.

The photos illustrate Gotthardbahn cars for Fulgurex in Gauge 1;  I had leapt to the conclusion these were 0 gauge.  I only know this because I was wondering what importer was crazy enough to do these again in 0 considering the Fulgurex GB cars by Tenshodo are, relatively speaking, generally available.

SZ

@Steinzeit posted:

The photos illustrate Gotthardbahn cars for Fulgurex in Gauge 1;  I had leapt to the conclusion these were 0 gauge.  I only know this because I was wondering what importer was crazy enough to do these again in 0 considering the Fulgurex GB cars by Tenshodo are, relatively speaking, generally available.

SZ

Thank you for that information; casts a somewhat different light on the subject.

@GG1 4877 posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I often am, but the California Zephyr never ran under a single road name correct?  It was a combination of the three major roads, plus through sleepers from the PRR and NYC wasn't it?

As much as I'd like to think I am in the market for this level of quality and train, my wife will tell me otherwise.  My Sunset E5 will have to wait for something closer to my pay grade.

I’m waiting for Scott to post/re-offer the E5s and 6s in run 2.  Too many to buy in run 1 for me so I’ll be able to get My E5 in run 2 !!!!!   I’m guessing we won’t see this offering till after he closes the EA, E1 offering.

WOW THAT MEANS MY ORDER FROM MANY YEARS AGO IS STILL GOOD ,FOR AN OBESERVATION AND 2 HEAD END CARS !!!!   ACTUALLY 1800 FOR THE OBSERVATION IS NOT A TREMENDOUS INCREASE CONSIDERING THAT MY INITIAL ORDER 12 YEARS AGO WAS QUOTED AT 1200 FOR THE OBSERVATION ALONE LETS SEE IF IT HAPENS I HOPE!!

@Steinzeit posted:

The photos illustrate Gotthardbahn cars for Fulgurex in Gauge 1;  I had leapt to the conclusion these were 0 gauge.  I only know this because I was wondering what importer was crazy enough to do these again in 0 considering the Fulgurex GB cars by Tenshodo are, relatively speaking, generally available.

SZ

Thanks!  I wondered what they were.  I think they are pretty amazing.

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As for timing, your guess is at least as good as mine.  I do know that the plans have all been approved and the builder, quantities and prices have been agreed upon.   Just need to get them in the queue and done.

I'm rooting for Roger to make it happen. I can only support the project with two dome car orders for my 1948 Expo.

And one other thing.  If you want cars in P48 let Roger know.  

If I can get the under frame ends to match Protocraft couplers rather than Kadees...

@rdunniii posted:

And one other thing.  If you want cars in P48 let Roger know.  

If I can get the under frame ends to match Protocraft couplers rather than Kadees...

Fantastic

If anyone can pull this off, Roger can do it. He's already put a lot of work into this project and has his "hands on" inspection schedule figured out as well. He's done a lot of work behind the scenes for KEY over the years and his Wasatch UP passenger cars are icons and still stand up to the best of the best passenger cars today.

He needs more reservations to make this run possible, so if you have an interest please contact him.

Fingers crossed! Hope those that initially ordered but backed off will reconsider...

These will be great cars.....hope they get made!  

ECI

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

I'm rooting for Roger to make it happen. I can only support the project with two dome car orders for my 1948 Expo.

Do not forget the DRGW 1001 coaches,

@Bob Harris posted:

Do not forget the DRGW 1001 coaches,

What do you mean by "forget"?

@Bob Harris posted:

Do not forget the DRGW 1001 coaches,

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

What do you mean by "forget"?

Bob is just making sure you don't forget to finish up some of those modernized heavyweight coaches in Flying Grande for that Expo Flyer.