While freight consists typically featured a caboose and steam loco from the same livery would a consist ever have a caboose and loco from different roads?. Specifically could a Pennsy steam loco have been mated with an Erie or Bethlem Steel work or transfer canboose in the same consist? Would a small Reading steamer ever be seen with a Pennsy, Erie, B7O, or Bethlehem Steel transfer caboose? Would it have been rare for that to ever happen? What about on short lines, were work or transfer cabeese always the same road as the steam locomotive was?
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Yes, I've seen several pics but unfortunately don't know the circumstances.
--Greg
Since you can see locomotives from a number of lines pulling the same consist, I suspect the caboose may not always match. Sometimes the RR will lease locomotives from other lines.
I don't know if a PRR train would ever have a non-PRR caboose, even if it was pulled with some other road name locomotive, that's an interesting question.
If you are specifically inquiring about the "steam era", especially prior to WWII, then it would have been pretty rare for another railroad's caboose to be on a different railroad's freight train. Remember, back in the "days of steam" many Conductors, especially SENIOR Conductors, had their own assigned caboose.
Good point about steam, I was thinking more in the diesel era as far as the mix-n-match of locomotives.
I have seen it many times in a Lionel catalog, A Pennsy caboose goes with just about anything it seemed and also a LIONEL LINES and vise versa.
Before the "Pool Cab" agreement (where conductors had their own assigned caboose) came to pass in the diesel era, I would doubt it. That said, after the pool cab agreement and conductors lost their assigned cab, it did happen. We had a joint N&W/Reading train, #17 & #18, that used N&W power with a Reading caboose.
I remember CN cabs (parent road) on the GTW at Port Huron and Detroit, but cannot remember if they were pulled by steam or the first gen diesels. Too, they could very well have been caboose hops between Canada and the US. I don't think I have photographic evidence to back that up...too much gray matter between the ears now.
Neil
Back in the steam era....a number of shortlines, some of which didn't even own a
caboose, or were related to other neighboring short lines....used borrowed cabooses,
either from a connecting Class 1 or the related short lines. I saw a specific picture of
that situation in one of the volumes of "Slow Train Down South".
I used to see UP..mopac...SP in the yard at collinwood ohio. they obviously came in from out west on van trains in the conrail days..conrail john
If you are specifically inquiring about the "steam era", especially prior to WWII, then it would have been pretty rare for another railroad's caboose to be on a different railroad's freight train. Remember, back in the "days of steam" many Conductors, especially SENIOR Conductors, had their own assigned caboose.
And, believe me, the Conductor was a little king - often a tyrant - about his car. He decided who could, or could not, come inside, and no other Conductor - especially a foreign line Conductor - was going to use the car.
Now, much later, in the diesel era, starting in the late 1960's, when diesels began to run through on freight trains, and railroads had made an agreement with their Conductors to pay extra for the ability to pool cabooses, cabooses started running through in some cases.
However, there was always one thing to consider -- each railroad's agreement with the Order of Railway Conductors and the Brotherhood of Railway Trainmen had rules requiring that a caboose must be equipped with certain things. This varied considerably from one railroad to the next, and prevented a lot of caboose pooling. That's why there were sometimes certain cars set up for through service and painted, or at least stenciled, to indicate this.
One time we were out of cabooses and had a hot train, so they stuck the yard switcher, a GP 7, on the back of it and sent the train on its way.
Wow, that pretty much goes to show that just about anything we do with our trains could be prototypical, eh?
At any rate, this thread is interesting to me, though my cabeese must match the engines on my layout - "Lionel Lines" excepted, of course.
Lubbock, TX in the 1970's, the ATSF and Missouri Pacific had some kind of trackage agreement that caused trains to come down the Slaton Div with MP power and ATSF cabooses. I never saw an MP caboose on that arrangement, but plenty of MP locos.
The longest train I ever saw was one of those MP trains with 256 cars.
The BN merger caused all manner of locomotive/caboose combo's, and then, Powder river coal with run-thru power caused even more variety.
On the FW&D in the early 70's, there is no telling what one might see carrying the markers.
Somewhat OT, but I had an Uncle, PRR man from the steam era, who on nearing retirement in the PC era, according to family legend, did all manner of things, including putting a wood block in place of a broken spring to keep HIS PRR cabin from going into the shop, where it would come out green with worms in love on the side. He worked a local job with regular hours and when he retired, the cabin was still red.
For 1990's coal and ore trains over the Southern Pacific, D&RGW Rio Grande, and Soo Line there have been cases where the Diesel Locos and Cabooses were not changed from road to road.
The Burlington Northern cabooses ran on unit coal Trains from the Powder River Basin with the Oakway Leased SD60's during the 1990's.
The Burlington Northern cabooses ran on unit coal Trains from the Powder River Basin with the Oakway Leased SD60's during the 1990's.
Are you implying that there should have been an "Oakway Caboose"?