Which wire goes where on used K-line R/S boards?

Does the engine have TMCC already or do you plan to use it in conventional? If the latter I think you only have connect the black and red wires from the black molex connector to ground and pickup rollers respectively.

 

 

Ooops. I see you have a motor driver board as well. That will require a little more research on the rest of the connectors. 

Does the motherboard have lettering saying its a K-Line or Lionel board?

That will help.

 

Pete

The engine is conventional and I plan to use it in conventional at this time. I like the railsounds so this is where these boards come in.

You can buy the board below from Lionel and put the RailSounds audio board in it.  This is the same board as the old ERR RailSounds Commander and it fully documented.

 

That is the mother board and it has the RS, RS power Supply and R2LC included.  If you look at the silk screen print near the connectors it will tell you what they are for.  Or you have to cross reference the Mother Board part number to a Lionel engine and look up the wiring diagram on Lionel services site.

 

Tell me the MB prt number, I may have that board broken down for you and can guide you on what the connectors are for.   G

I know what it is George, and yes it does have silkscreened info.  However, you can still download the old RS Commander documentation as well.

 

The only reference to k-line on the motherboard is a k sticker underneath.

 

and silly question but what is this separate board tethered to the mother board? the one with the quad triacs? reference #940v-0?

Mark, the separate board is the motor driver. It appears to be a K-Line Cruise board. Unfortunately, not much good without the motor speed sensor otherwise you would have a complete TMCC upgrade system.

if you want only sounds in conventional just disconnect the motor driver from the motherboard. All you need to do is connect the red and black wires to the rollers and body and the speaker wires. Normally just a two pin connector and hopefully marked. Remove any remaining white connectors from the motherboard and you should be set. All you will get is horn, bell, and prime mover though.

 

The motherboard was made by Lionel, as indicated by the lettering printed on the board Between the R2LC and audio power board. If you remove the daughterboard in the center, audio power, it looks like the Lionel part number is just below it and you should be able to read what it is.

 

Pete

As Pete said this has cruise.  The MB # is under the middle board, it is a Lionel #.

 

Typically the 2 orange are speaker wires, the next 2 purple and black go to TMCC program switch, next 3 black brown red go to volume pot, last 2 yellow go to RS Switch.  All these on the front 9 pin connector.  That gets your sound.  The black connectors with 2 wires red/blk are AC in.

 

With the # I may be able to give you the Jumper # and wires out.  G

OK so what I read above is I got a motherboard with a sound board but can't use it as a reverse unit or to power the motors in the rs3. If I spend another $45.00 from Lionel purchasing john's suggested board, will I get the motor drive and reverse functions?

FYI, I think this experience will teach me NOT to purchase an item I really don't know about.

Nope, I thought you were talking just sound.  If you want to use the motor drive, you can dispense with the K-Line cruise motor driver and use a standard TMCC DCDR or the ERR Cruise Commander M.

 

However, if you were going for the CCM, you might as well buy a Cruise Commander for a few bucks more and dispense with the issues of trying to use that motherboard.  I don't see any way you can use the K-Line cruise motor driver without the tach reader that you don't have.

Don't feel bad Mark. We have all attended the school of hard knocks at some time in our lives.

If your plan is to still run conventional just keep the the E unit already in your engine and add this to it if you still have room. Good point G about the volume pot. You will need that too but not the program switch. Not even sure you need the R2LC for conventional either.

 

Pete

GGG, Norton, gunrunnerjohn.......  Reference to the first photo posted by prrhorseshoecurve, the pic with time of 12:18.  The multipin chip pictured, brown in color, same type as what is used in MTH PS1 systems for sound.....     I have been wondering this:   When you upgrade an engine to TMCC/RS with ERR, or whatever you use, as I have done several times..... with use of perhaps "older" RS boards, what would be the possibility of switching the MTH sound chip with the Lionel chip to retain original MTH sounds for the engine?  AKA U.P turbines, other select engines to provide new and more diverse sound effects for TMCC equipped engines.  What ya think, possible?

 

Jesse

The possibility is zero Jesse.  The only similarity between the two chips are they're both 32-pin PLCC packages.  The contents would be totally incompatible.  Each system has very specific data an locations in the memory map.

 

The chip that you see in that picture is actually the 44-pin chip, the 32-pin is on the other side of the board.

 

John,

 

  Thanks, sir..   This is something I have wondered about.  As you can see, I am not that tech knowledgeable when it comes to components, just know how to solder quite well and can follow instructions.  Do understand the basics, but always have room for learning more.  I just wondered how one may retain the original sounds in motive power as you change the PS systems to TMCC control.  Would be very nice for all if someone could work this out.

 

Jesse 

You have everything for control except the motor driver board.  You can get a basic DCDR for $40, or you can go Cruise M for $64 I think.  If this is for conventional only, and your not worried about cruise.  The DCDR is the way to go.  Works well with the can motors.

 

The bigger picture is testing this to make sure it all works.  I can do that for you, identify your wiring, and sell a DCDR at discount if you want.  Even splice wires and such to complete this if needed.

 

I am sure you want the directional lighting too.  G

It was "worked out" some time back, Digital Dynamics had their Equalizer board that replaced the PS/1 power board and provided TMCC and retained the PS/1 sounds.  They bit the dust anyway.  I believe TAS also had a product, but I've never seen it, but they are also gone.

 

 

 

George, where are you getting the Cruise Commander M for $64?  Can I get some too?

 

John,

 

   He is probably using this as a Cruise 'M' 

 

 

 

 

or this

 

 

 

Bill

I thought Bill sold them at a discount?  I did say I think.  G

Mark,

 

  Probably the best suggestion is to use the RS4 sound board and the power board that GRJ posted. I don't believe your MB has a VCO so you will not get prime mover unless you add a Hall Effect Switch or a Cherry Switch. If you still want to use all the parts you have, you still would need a DCDR motor driver plus the pot, speaker and associated connectors and switches.

 

Bill 

Bill, wouldn't the setup Mark has have a VCO built in? What would have happened if the previous owner ran their engine in conventional? Plus I don't get all this talk about DCDRs and Cruise Ms. Mark said he planned to use this in conventional. In that case all he needs now is a volume pot And a soldering iron.

BTW it appears the the cat is now out of the bag. 

 

Pete

Neither of those come up in a parts search at Lionel, are they actually available?

 

Bill, if he uses the Diesel CCM, doesn't that give him the VCO?

Pete, John,

 

  You are correct about the VCO.  I have one on the bench that has a vco problem and I was thinking about that one. John, I went to Lionel site and they are posted. Only one is availablle. It probably won't be after tomorrow. 

 

Bill

You're probably right.  I went back and just searched on DCDE and found it.

 

 They are listed because Lionel actually used them in a few engines. I doubt many owners even know they are in there. I found out by accident after purchasing one, a Harriman 2-8-0. There is no reference to Odyssey or Cruise in the description, on the box, or in the instructions, just TMCC and Railsounds.

 

 

Pete

Why, are you telling Bill? 

 

The other is off, it was Legacy Cruise.  G

Harriman or the Consolidation?  Latter I believe.  Also the Shay had it.  G

It was a Harriman 2-8-0 (aka Consolidation) . First issue was SP and UP and more or less correct for those roads. Mine is a later release lettered for NYC. The number boards will be coming off.

I don't think the SP or UP came with the Cruise M. I had the shell off to replace the one chuff puffer unit and noticed the Cruise M. Checking Lionel parts it was factory installed.

Ironically I pulled the Cruise M and installed an EOB Drop in for the 4 chuffs. Much more elegant IMO than magnets or switches.

Thought is was a weird combo to have cruise and a one chuff puffer unit.

 

Pete

The UP Harriman did not come with cruise, I added the CCM to one of those, it had a standard DCDR.

 

 

I was using Lionel's identifiers.  Harriman versions no, but Consolidation versions yes.  G