Woodland Scenics glue dillution?

We've always used Matte Medium, and thinned it to the consistence of whole milk. During the whole ballasting and scenery work, I purchased the Matte Medium by the gallon from Scenic Express. Now, for small "touch-up" jobs, I purchased a small bottle of "Mish-Mosh" (actually Matte Medium) from the local Michaels store. 

The Scenic Cement is ready to spray right out of the bottle. To make it go further, I usually mix one bottle of Scenic Cement w/ 1/2 bottle of water and 1/2 bottle of Elmer's Glue. That mix works quite well for ballasting.

While I have used it, I have never attempted to spray the Scenic Glue. Considering the consistency, I would start with 1/4 bottle of the Scenic Glue to 3/4 bottle of water. It has to be "watery" in order to work with your sprayer.

I use about 4 parts water to 1 part Elmers Glue with a shot of dish soap to break surface tension. Works really well and is much cheaper the Woodland Scenics

Okay, I already have a few bottles of the scenic glue, which is very thick. So suggesting other stuff really doesn't help as my question was what ratio to mix this with water to use in a spray bottle.

Dilute the same way you would regular white glue - it's pretty much the same stuff. 

mwb posted:

Dilute the same way you would regular white glue - it's pretty much the same stuff. 

I've never needed to dilute white glue that I can recall.

Hence, the original question.

Okay, I know I'm sounding like a jerk but it gets tiring when you get mostly non-answers to a pretty specific question.

p51 posted:

mwb posted:

Dilute the same way you would regular white glue - it's pretty much the same stuff. 

I've never needed to dilute white glue that I can recall.

Hence, the original question.

Okay, I know I'm sounding like a jerk but it gets tiring when you get mostly non-answers to a pretty specific question.

Now my curiosity is piqued - what are you spraying the glue for in the 1st place? 

BTW, looking for an answer using Google gets me anywhere from 50/50 to 30/70, but then I've never sprayed either glue - in fact, I stopped spraying water based glues at all since the mess they made outweighed anything positive that I was accomplishing.

p51 posted:

Okay, I know I'm sounding like a jerk but it gets tiring when you get mostly non-answers to a pretty specific question.

 So this is a non-answer? If you're ballasting (and I assume you are), you are not using a material I would have ever suggested for the purpose.

MWB made a great point. Which sprayer you use will also have a big affect on your success. The Woodland Scenics spray bottle seems to work infinitely better than "repurposed" spray bottles.

Soap is effective for breaking the surface tension. However if you plan to mix a bottle and not use it all at once, I would suggest spraying the surface with Isopropyl Alcohol instead.  

I have been putting padding cement in a spray bottle for over 30 years. Saw this trick in a model train magazine. The glue dilution is about 50 /50, for the starting point.

This padding cement is sold in one gallon jugs at those big box art stores & big box office supply companies.

Gary

Thanks, Gary!

p51 posted:

Thanks, Gary!

Hi Lee - p51 - Your Welcome

If you do not like this padding cement, you can use it for making note pads for your work bench.  A live time supply of padding cement for pads and art projects.

Gary

I had to do at least 75/25 to get it to go through a woodland scenics sprayer and probably 90/10 to go thru a Home Depot Zep sprayer. I don't think it sprays well unless you use their sprayer. At 50/50 I have to pour it

Gilly@N&W posted:

.... Considering the consistency, I would start with 1/4 bottle of the Scenic Glue to 3/4 bottle of water. It has to be "watery" in order to work with your sprayer.

 So this is a non-answer?

I totally missed that earlier.

As for spray bottles, I gummed up one with the Micro Mark stuff early on but my wife bought me a set of four with apparently larger nozzles and looser tolerances and they worked just fine, still on the first one.

I really only need this to do the backdrop work, where I'll be using ground foam to cover undulating 'mountain' shapes for the backdrops, then I'd need it for static grass work and that'd be it.

I used a lot of glue for the scenery, probably more than I needed, but the ground cover is bullet proof now!