4449 Paint Detail Questions for Hot Water

These are some crappy pix I just shot real quick so you can see what I'm referring to..not that you need reference to the 4449!

 

Ladder on the tender looks like it normally gets painted to match the color strips on the body...orange to orange...red to red etc ect...... NOT all silver like this

 

White walls on pilot truck and drivers, but not trailing truck????

 

I've seen silver handrails going to the cab with black ladders, but not all silver like this.

It almost looks like this pic is photo shopped but all the handrails and ladders just seem to blend in... not stick out like a sore thumb.

 

 

This pic is far away, but it looks like even the handrail running along the to of the boiler blends in as black.....should it be silver?

You are mostly correct. None of that stuff should be silver or SP lettering gray. Lionel did the same thing on their Legacy model of the GS-4, and I had all that "corrected". Since I received the black version of the Sunset/3rd Rail GS-4, I didn't have any of those issues. The hand railings going up to the cab are generally unpainted, shiny bare metal. 

Thank you sir, I appreciate the confirmation.

Thanks for the nice comments, but I'm not real good at model photography, Our resident photographer/videographer is gnnpnut, and if you search for him, you should also find his video site, which contains videos and photos he has taken on my layout plus the Independent Hi-Railers, Mid-West Division.

Thanks for the reply. I believe some of the photos that I located were taken by gnnpnut, and he does take nice photos. As a matter of fact, the first photos I saw of your layout were on ebay of a nicely weathered Lionel B&O EM-1. That's what started my search for more reference of your layout, which prompted me to buy the DVD. I'll try to reach out to him.

If you don't mind, I have a couple of more questions. Do you do the weathering on the locomotives and rolling stock in the photos? I'm curious to the origin of the structure between the roundhouse and water tower, in the photo I've attached.

 

Thank you,

 

Joe Kunka

 

Thanks again!

I agree, Gene is a master. I did recognize the family resemblance between the roundhouse and power house building. I first went to the Korber website to see if it was one of their kits. I didn't find it, which left me scratching my head.

 

I have reached out to Jerry (gnnpnut). I hope he replies.

 

Take care,

 

Joe

 

Jerry's (gnnpnut) eMail is in his profile.

Thanks.

Lionels engine was number 4436 and was painted just like that number when it was brand newl  In color photos of 4436 when new the ladders were silver and other colors on the lionel daylight scheme are correct.  The tender lettering on the engine when new was the small lettering in the upper color band also.

 

 

 

You are referring to the "builder's photo/photos". The Southern Pacific did NOT operate their steam locomotives in regular service looking like that.

Here are some images of the 4449 showing the hand railings and ladder steps a bit closer up.

 

 

Interesting pics Chris. Never thought about the panels being in sections.

so Hot how long does it take to remove those panels for service. First those below the running board and then those above?

 

Pete

Those "panels" as you call them, are ONLY removed for major repairs, or as in this case, her FRA mandated 15 year boiler inspection. Normally, it takes many days of volunteer labor to remove all that stuff.

I really don't know about the Daylights, but there are photos of 2-10-2s in service with white or silver driver tires.  Black and white photos, but it is clear the tires are decorated.

Hence the reason my Sunset model was touched up and colors added to the ladder, and certain things blacked out

 

Your "fixes" are definitely spot on...that looks great!! 

That looks awesome!  Can I ask which paint you used?  Is it a perfect match?  I need to do some work on mine as well.  I want to cover that silver stripe at the bottom of the red band on the boiler.  

 

Nick

 

I used Floquil paints, but had to mix my own to get a close match. The orange was pretty darn close, but the red..... well I got it close. Once I sprayed it with dull-cote, it looks good enough for me. I really want to do some light weathering, just don't have the b*lls to do it.

Thanks for the info.  I was looking at mine again tonight and now I see just how much the silver ladders stick out.  Time for another project.  

Has anyone been able to find pictures of these engines when they were on the SP roster than shows ladders that matched the sides? I have quite a few books and videos plus what can be found on the web and have yet to see matching ladders. Most all are painted  black. It would be good to have a builders photo to see if maybe they were delivered that way but most of the 3rd Rail engines are in the post war paint scheme anyway. 

 

Pete

I have a book called DAYLIGHT REFLECTIONS VOL1 and there are picture in there that have black ladders and matching.ladders on the side of the tender. Believe me, I wouldnt have went to all that trouble to color match and hand paint those ladders if they were allblack.

This book even shows MT-4s with matching Daylight ladders on the rear of those tenders.

I can say in watching all of the vintage color SP footage that I have, I saw both.  Some were indeed black from top to bottom, and others were matched...weird but hey anything goes on the RR.