Does anyone have this caboose yet? If so would you post a photo? I am curious what the marker lights look like. They look strange in the computer generated photo from the Lionel web page. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Principal RailRookie:
Does anyone have this caboose yet? If so would you post a photo? I am curious what the marker lights look like. They look strange in the computer generated photo from the Lionel web page. Thank you.
What is even "stranger" is, that looks more like the famous New York Central 19,000 series wood caboose, what with that very short cupola. The Santa Fe cabooses had a taller cupola.
That's because it is an NYC caboose with a Santa Fe paint job. The K-Line woodside caboose looks a lot more like a Santa Fe caboose and may be from a Santa Fe prototype. Here's a photo of two K-Line cabooses in Milwaukee Road paint. Woodside on the left, steel on the right. The steel caboose also looks like it might be an ATSF prototype.
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Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Principal RailRookie:
Does anyone have this caboose yet? If so would you post a photo? I am curious what the marker lights look like. They look strange in the computer generated photo from the Lionel web page. Thank you.
What is even "stranger" is, that looks more like the famous New York Central 19,000 series wood caboose, what with that very short cupola. The Santa Fe cabooses had a taller cupola.
You are right Hot Water. I've been trying to locate the tall cupola steel caboose Santa Fe used in the 40's and 50's with A.T.S.F. only on sides. I don't believe anyone has made one.
Steel side caboose
Woodside caboose:
TEX
Steve
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Steve;
Pecos River Brass made them...still easy to come by if not cheaply.
Allan
Theres a couple on Ebay right now, brass models,in the $300 range
Tex/Steve,
Those are two examples of ATSF cabooses that I would love to have. I can't spend $300.00 for them and I was hoping this Lionel version would be a close approximation of the wood sided example you posted. I am very interested in seeing a picture of what Lionel actually shipped. Thanks for sharing the pics!
I also see various Santa Fe scale cabooses for sale on "the bay", and they seem to be reasonably priced, i.e. under the $300 brass prices. Just keep looking for the Pacos River Brass models plus the K-Line models, and you should eventually come up with a steam era Santa Fe caboose, without breaking the bank.
MTH made a decent Santa Fe caboose:
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It's got the reflective crosses on it though. I don't know when those came into use, even the Historical Society's magazine waycar issue didn't mention when.
Rusty
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Rusty;
The Santa Fe tested Scotchlite paint in 1946. In the late 1950's, they started applying self-adhesive reflective stickers to the waycars. My "rule" since I don't know when which waycars got stickers - if they did - is to assume that steam era cars didn't have them.
You are right that the MTH car is the closest plastic model. It needs a tool box where the cylinder is, different truck spacing, the end lights removed and a few other details...but a good basic start.
Allan
I have four Lobaugh steel sided and one K- Line wood sided. They are all close, and if you look carefully all under a hundred bucks. You will have to convert the Lobaugh to three rail.
Originally Posted by Allan E:
Rusty;
The Santa Fe tested Scotchlite paint in 1946. In the late 1950's, they started applying self-adhesive reflective stickers to the waycars. My "rule" since I don't know when which waycars got stickers - if they did - is to assume that steam era cars didn't have them.
Allan
Thanks Allan, I've been doing on and off research to try and figure out when they starting to be applied with no luck.
As I recall, Santa Fe steam ended somewhere around 1956 (don't have my books handy...) and that was as helper locomotives, so it would seem to be a correct assumption no steam hauled train would've had waycars with the Scotchlite crosses.
Rusty
