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Greetings everyone,

Somewhat against my better judgement, we are treating our two sons, their wives and our three grandchildren to a trip with us to Manhattan during Thanksgiving week.  We are staying on 6th Avenue just outside the theater district, and the main focus of the trip is the (still Macy's?) Thanksgiving Day Parade.  What with watching the parade, attending a couple of Broadway shows already booked by my wife, as well as dealing with the crowds, our time and ability to see other sights will be limited.  

We have all been to New York before and will be again, so the big tourist sights are not really on the agenda this trip.  I would like to see some holiday toy train displays if anyone in NYC is doing them this year, and if they will be open to see this November 21 to 25.  

Will the Transportatin Museum have a toy train dislplay this year? If so, when will it open and will it be at Grand Central Terminal or over in Brooklyn?  I didn't see anything on their website.  

Anyone doing any toy train display anywhere else in Manhattan?  A Lionel holiday store, perhaps? Something at Rockafeller Center?  Not like the old days, I'm sure.  

I would like to squeeze in Gullver's Gate, but I think I have to get commitments from other interested members of our group first and then book a time and buy tickets, so that might just have to wait for another less intensive trip.

Any information or suggestions will be appreciated greatly.

Cheers!

Alan

Keizer, OR

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I've been to the actual transportation museum and am not aware of any Holiday Displays set up but then again, it has been several years.

The MTA Store always has set up a very well done Lionel layout in the store at Grand Central.

The Botanical Garden display in the Bronx is not to be missed. Expect heavy crowds. Last time I went, it was a mess. I believe they now have a "reservation system" that hopefully eases the flow.

Anyone know if Macy's still sets up a layout in their Santa area?

Note Santa Land at Macy's has a layout. You need to get there early if you want to avoid the long lines. Santa Land is only open from black Friday to Christmas Eve. 

Other than Santa Land, GCT Transit museum shop, and Gulliver's Gate, thosecare the only consistent displays. Every thing else is hit or miss.... Such as he Lego store in Rockafellaer Center

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Sorry but I don't get" part of the lionel sell off was the Transit Museums Exhibit at GCT" what does that mean? Will there be a layout this year? I always thought it brought in a lot of people!

Yeah, I'd have to agree that's not good IF true (I imagine by "sell off" the OP means the archive sale).

None of us obviously could have any insight into the financials, but that display was a great thing in terms of exposing the general public to the fact that Lionel trains still exist in the world. 

I guess if it didn't generate a lot of actual sales of Lionel trains within the store, it might not have been considered a winner by the management, but IF it really is gone or about to be, that's not cool.

(I was going to check the dates in the Notch 6  original post on the topic to see if the auction/sale had already taken place, but then I remembered that thread got the normal hand wringing and nastiness, so the thread is unfortunately long since toast.)

Sorry to divert from the topic of the thread with the above.  If this Layout is still happening this year, it is a great display!  Ialso agree with the Botanical Garden comments above, it is a great thing to see as well.  The large bridges of NYC made out of branches are phenomenal.  (The rest of the buildings and the trains themselves are pretty nice too! )

-Dave

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bluelinec4 posted:

If you can get over to Paterson NJ somehow I can arrange a private showing for your group of our layout  Paterson is about 20 - 30 minutes from Midtown   Here is our website

WWW.njhirailers.com

That's a great offer from one of the stand-up ambassadors of the hobby.  Definitely take Ben up on the offer if you have the time!

-Greg

Hello friends,

Thanks for for all of your informative replies.  I had forgotten about the Botanical Garden display that I had read about in the past.  It looks amazing!  As does the NJ Hi-Railers Layout.  What a treat a private tour would be for anyone, especially a toy train nut like me! (Even if my main, but still modest, collecting interest is American Flyer.) 

It looks like the Gardens might be doable if I can get my "tour group" to agree and carve out the time.  I forget anything I learn about taking the subway between each trip to NYC, but it looks like it's a pretty straight shot to NYBG from GCT.

Getting to Patterson to see the NJHR club would be more difficult for us to do on this Mid-Town focused visit, but, if I can take a raincheck,  don't be surprised to hear from me in the future, Ben.

And although we fly out of Newark on the 25th, I don't know that we would have the time to take in the Greenberg Show before we have to get to the airport.  Again, perhaps something for another trip.

My reason for posting this question was to be sure that I did not miss seeing a display near where we will be just because I didn't know about.  I may have to take a walk over to the Red Caboose on 45th just to get a brief model and toy train fix among the stacks and cases like I have on other trips to Manhattan.  I hope he isn't closed that week. I consider that place a historic hobby shop museum.  Growing up on the West Coast, I missed ever seeing Madison Hardware and the Hall of Science or the Lionel Showroom.

Not to hijack my own topic, but I am dismayed that it seems that a no one in The City is doing an old school, typical public display for the holidays anymore.   While we can wax nostalgic about the old days of department store windows and dedicated toy and train stores, it seems that until recently, NYC always had a bank, a museum or other retail or public entity that would put up a fun and wildly popular display for the holidays.

I am thankful for all of the clubs, individual hobbyists and show operators and sponsors who have taken up the mantle of keeping our great hobby before the public.  A friend and I have set up a display in December in the Oregon State Capitol for over 30 years.  The only year we missed was after 9/11 when the decorating committee decided not to decorate that season.  Hundreds of the people who went through the Capitol Building that season wrote in the guestbook some form of, "Where is the train?!"  

I will close with some pix of our Capitol Holidays Layout.  Come see it if you find yourself in Salem, Oregon this December before Christmas.

Thanks again.

Cheers!

Alan

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Hay PRRHORSESHOECURVE,

That Edison show that you mention will have our group of "O" gaugers: The Raritan Valley Hi-Railers in the show. We're unveiling some new modular scenes to change-up the looks of the layout on that weekend. A 40' x 50' layout will be displayed for the general public, so come on down & "chew the fat" with us. Love to hear other peoples thoughts & suggestions about the layout, or hear what you have!

     Steam Forever

        John - coordinator for the Raritan Valley Hi-Railers, catch us on facebook & see the layout in action, and a  sneak peak at what's coming, leave a comment.

        N.J. Hi-Railers member

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Sorry but I don't get" part of the lionel sell off was the Transit Museums Exhibit at GCT" what does that mean? Will there be a layout this year? I always thought it brought in a lot of people!

I've never really understood why it's called a "museum."  It's basically a store, with everything priced at least at MSRP, with a nice layout in the middle as the attraction.  Almost like going to the Museum of Natural History and seeing price tags on all the sea creatures artifacts on the walls in the great hall where the giant whale is suspended.  

I try to take my family every year to the GCT "museum" but can't say as I've ever bought anything, given the non-competitive pricing and no desire to carry it around Manhattan for the rest of the day.  

 

BMT-Express posted:

Grand Central holds the Transit Museum Annex - the Transit Museum proper is in Brooklyn.  

The Annex has a revolving series of exhibits on the left side, while the right side is the shop.

Lionel sponsored the "Holiday Train Exhibit" from November until Feb.  but the new Lionel no longer owns that display.

I know TW was involved in refreshing it a couple three years back. 

Again, calling it a "museum" is a misnomer or confusing at a minimum.  And, the only reason I bring this aspect up is because a museum generally operates from grants, not sales.  If the GCT Christmas display is susceptible to closure due to sales, that seems grubby. 

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