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I saw the following pictures online of a MTH Railking F3 PS2 set 30-2944 from 2009 and of an original Williams (NOT by Bachmann) F3 set W-2240 with True Blast II sound.  My eyes say they are the same body shell (above the chassis).  Are my eyes correct?  If they are, how did MTH end up with the Williams F3 body tooling in 2009 if Williams sold out to Bachmann in 2007?  I don't know the date of the Williams model; when did True Blast II start appearing in Williams models?  That might help date it.

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MTH Railking F3

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Williams F3

Thanks,

Matt

P.S. - In real life, the Wabash RR actually had 116 F7 A-units and 9 (?) B-units, but no F3s!

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Coach, if you are comparing your F7 it would have it's origins in old Kusan tooling which is quite different than the Lionel/Williams F3's.  The RK is a very close copy of the Lionel classics. Perhaps you could post a photo of yours as if I recall, the windows are considerably larger than the classic  'squint' of the Postwar F3s

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SO here we have a MTH RK Chessie F3 and a WBB Great Northern F7.  I was not aware that Williams and subsequently WBB had two different molds for the F3 and the F7 when I chimed in earlier so this doesn't really address the OP but from the photos these two are definitely not from the same mold.  WBB is longer and wider, has a more blunt nose, fan housings are shorter, some extra vents and/or exhaust in the roof, possibly for a steam generator, two horns and larger front windows as C Sam pointed out.

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I think ^^Sam Jumper explained it best.  Coach Joe, the reason for the confusion is that there are at least two styles of RailKing F3's: the stubby one you have in Chessie paint, and the longer one that is meant to be a copy of postwar Lionel.

Likewise there are at least two Williams F3s: the first, flat-nosed one derived from old Kusan tooling, and the second one that was meant to be a repro of Lionel postwar.

To determine if both shells really came from the same mold, you might look inside to see if there are bumps or dimples where they were cut from a sprue, or pushed out of the mold.  Interesting thread!

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