bringing back 671, 681 and 682 turbine

The Century Club 671 had TMCC so I wouldn't think it would be an issue Lou.

Lou, what do you have in mind? Are you thinking of doing a set, or just the engine? I'd definitely be in for the set, and probably for a separate sale engine as well. I have been wanting Lionel to make this engine for a long time in the PWC/CC series.

Bill

Lou, I understand you are a Lionel guy but instead of doing what Williams and Lionel have already done how about remaking an engine that hasn't been done by anyone like a 1656 or 675? How many 773s, 726s, 671s, and 2046s do we need?

BTW TMCC will definitely fit, no problem.

Pete 

That would get some attention.

" 1656 or 675?"

Hear hear!  I would LOVE to see a modern 675!

Ditto  "Legacy"

Brent

A 675 with tin passenger cars?

BRING IT ON LOU!!! I AM ALL FOR IT!

I have the CC Version and MPC Version, I would love to see it made again!

now we are talking!

The tooling for the Turbines is just fine.  It was the tooling for the 675/2025 that was destroyed.

Put a Can motor into the Turbine, add a Cruise Commander and I'd buy one in a heart beat!

Jon

Lou, that would be a good one to get with a can motor to make it run well.  That locomotive should have enough room for the new RCMC board in the locomotive and plenty of room for the Railsounds Lite sound system in the tender.

Plenty of room should also exist for a fan driven smoke unit.  I love the idea of taking old classic locomotives and upgrading them.  Lou, knowing you are an old Hot Rod guy like many of us on the forum we love these things repowered.

I would go for a 671, 681, 682.

I would really like Lionel to make a scale version with Legacy.

I love the turbines.

I would agree with the Legacy features.

+1!

Hello guys and gals......

Williams already makes the can motor/flywheel version of the 671,681 turbine.

the woman who loves the S.F.5011,623

Tiffany

If Williams could reverse engineer the most of the Lionel post war models, why can't Lionel?  There are plenty of 675s and 2025s on the used market to get a good example of.  I would also like to see a 2065 or 665 baby hudson.  They did a pwc or cc 2055 set a few years ago which is the same engine only a different boiler front so that should be easy to do as well.

Why does everyone want a can motor in the turbine?  I have two 671s from my dad and after 60+ years the original Lionel motor is silky smooth and runs great.  I don't hate can motors, but on a small engine like the turbine you're going to have the can motor sticking back into the cab noticeably.  And I've never had a traditional Lionel motor fail, but I have had can motors die.  Not scientific, but my experience.  I would be curious to see what Williams did with their re-make, in terms of this issue.

As far as my interest in the product, given we already have two turbines, both in good shape, I would probably not be interested in a third, even with TMCC / Legacy and other new bells and whistles.

PETE, they have zero tools for a 675. nothing buddy. that sucks!

look out! the new version will have tons of power. you'll see

Lou, anything you have ever stated will be taken to the bank by me.   Back in the day when I had all that old stuff, the turbine was the best runner.  The Williams is a super runner.  I can live with the motor being visable.  If Lionel does this engine over with modern electronics, they will sell a lot of them.

But is it really nothing?  Puffer smoke unit, Mechanical e-unit which they should have from many many models.  Open frame motor with baldwin drivers or put better looking drivers with traction tires (again, it should already exist).

Now the parts that parts that have to be made:

Yes you do need to make a cast of the body to reproduce it.  Use an old one as a model to make the new tool dies.  A cast of the front Cow Catcher piece.  Front boiler plates have already have been re-casted by olsen and readily available online or recast again from scratch.  Linkage can be easily duplicated. 

Then you have the pony truck and trailing truck assemblies, tender link bar, ornamental bell, recast or  make a new one, stanchions, and railings.

Other options:

Take some castings of the original body and make it better and easier to assemble and disassemble (the original is a pain to take a part and put back together).  Use a can motor and legacy.  Make it a 4-6-2 like it should have been but never was.  Just make it as "close" to the original in flavor by using the body and upgrade the rest with what you have on the selves...Purest will hate it this way, but it may be cheaper to do and purest won't touch it unless it's exactly the way it was and even then they may pass on it because it's not from the PW era, but now a modern reproduction.

Lou,

I tend to agree with Marty, a modernized 671, 681 and/or 682 would be a great addition to the Lionel modern remakes.  We already know that there is room for Legacy, RailSounds and Jon Z's cruise control, and from what you have said on this thread, it sounds like Lionel has the tooling for the traditional sized Turbine.

I think we need to clarify that what you are talking about is the 671, 681 traditional sized Turbine, which if memory serves, was the largest selling Lionel toy train steamer in the Postwar era.

In today's manufacturing environment, a can motor version with a flywheel is probably the ONLY way to go.  If it looks like the original traditional sized version with modern electronics I think that would be fine for the overwhelming majority of us.

Discussing the desire for a scale proportioned Turbine is really going to a different subject. In the real world, it is also entering the realm of a vastly different and more expensive locomotive, that would be quite a different proposition than the potential for producing a traditional sized, 671, 681 and/or a 682.

Ed Boyle

Well, Here is the Williams version. It uses the same motor as used in Lionel's traditional size steam engines and virtually of its diesels including scale models. If Lionel were to install a more powerful motor and reversed the mounting so a back head could be installed then there would no longer be room for engine electronics. I doubt the drive plus sound electronics plus speaker could all be installed in the tender. Trade offs would have to be made. 

Pete

Lionel has made the S2 Turbine in scale twice already. My idea was to do something like they've done with the "Postwar Scale" series and paint it in the Postwar 671 scheme with the 18" aluminum passenger cars painted up in the green 2400 series scheme. All that's needed there is paint, the tooling exists for everything else.

As an owner of a Century Club 1 No.671, I have little interest in another traditional-sized Turbine reissue. With so many original and reissued versions of the 671, 681, and 2020 Turbines out there, one might wonder if yet another is really necessary.

Lionel (as catalogued items) or LCCA-sponsored reissues of the green and gray PW-style 2400 series "Lionel Lines" Pullmans, however, would be profoundly appreciated.

Thanks for asking.

Bob

Nick has a great idea on the green cars.  I would be all over those.

Those would be a hit.

I have been hunting for some green Lionel Lines 2400 cars at a reasonable price for a long time..Don't know why we haven't seen this re-issued.  I can get "pullman" version of these same cars all day long and we know they have the tooling with the pullman expansion set and the recent UP set.

ok taken another step,,,how about painting engine and tender the same green/gray/yellow,,,i dont need another black steamer ,in the "other magazine,they did an alco that way several years ago,,super sharp ! 

If they make a scale legacy turbine, I am in. 

How much size difference is there between the vintage Lionel 671 and the MTH RK Baby Turbine??? I have the MTH as it was a great alternative to a vintage Lionel unit but I have never seen the two together.

While the green 2400 series were done with Michigan town names in the 1990 Service Station Special, they really need to be done with the original NJ town names.

I have both of Lionel's scale Turbines but they don't get much track time.  Why?  While the last version with the elephant ears has great sounds I just don't like the fact that there's no chuffing.  Just the 'swoosh'.  Which of course is prototypical.

I don't think I'd buy a Legacy version for just that reason.  Large steam engine chuffing is awsome.  The S2 just doesn't have it.

marty i'm bringing out the set good buddy with the green cars!!

i'm using chug!!!  don't care if its not prtotypical. its a steamer in my book!

nope. they are not doing that. so sorry