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We all have to make decisions and accept tradeoffs on our layouts.  There never seems to be enough room for everything.  

 

When I first planned my layout nine years ago, I mapped out a nice area for my downtown area (to the right) and open country (to the left).

 

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I mapped out a lot of benchtop space for downtown, because I knew I loved making buildings, etc.,  (foreground below).   

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But I left room for open country, too, which I cherish.  The plateau top in the photo below is very much like the southern Colorado/northen New Mexico areas where I spent my "formative years."  

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And I left the entire other end of the layout open country.  I was most pleased with my pristine mountain lake: pure water, clean, crisp air, pines, and the Rockies, very much like those beautiful Colorado lakes where I used to go fishing with my Dad and Granddad.

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But I never met an O-gauge building I didn't like, and I really wanted lots more 'Streets. After I completed my downtown area, I continued adding more buildings and 'Streets toward the back of the layout.  Over the last five years,  I squeezed a lot of both into out-of-the-way nooks and crannies like those in the background below.

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But those areas filled up, and I find good buildings irresistible.  Here is my mountain lake today, with the Creedance Clearwater Brewery (Woodland Scenics Morison's Door factory) and the Burma Shave factory (Menards Feed and Seed).  Both are great buildings that I could not resist adding.  But I want my lake back.  And I also realize there will be other good buildings next year (maybe next week, given how Menards is knocking them out!).

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And meanwhile, I have a Woodland Scenics bashed IGA Grocery, a bashed/scratch built TV-Radio repair shop, and Menards Lionel Hobby shop  all waiting for someplace to go on the layout . . .  with no where to put them.  And I know myself, these will not be the last buildings I want to build.

 

So the empty plateau will go . . . the white area below will become "city" with a new 'Streets loop roughly along the route indicated by the black line.  

 

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The Burma Shave factory and brewery will relocate to where the two blue boxes are shown. . . 

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My auto park, with car dealerships to display a lot of diecast vehicles, at the far end of that plateuu, will have to go . . 

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As will, my "Ferrari factory" one of my favorite vignette areas.    

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I'll build more shelves for diecast cars and get these cars and trucks off the layout.  The new "city" area will alolow expansion room for another few year's worth of buildings.  Not sure what I will go then . . . but for the moment, the "building" can continue.

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Lee

 

That Ferrari factory is one of your signature scenes. It inspired my New Lyon Grand Prix staging area:

 

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Have you considered "plug and play" scenery, where the factory is on a removable board that interchanges with other scenes that plug into the same space? A clever man like you ought to go one step further and automate the changes, a la the licence plates on James Bond's DB5

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It's tough making those decisions "to get rid of" areas on the model railroad that we love. But the only thing constant is change and the updating of the model with new ideas and projects is one of the things that continue to make this hobby so interesting. If you left everything the same and didn't continue to improve and expand some of the joy would be lost. My Model railroad club has been around for 30 years and every year we change and/or improve something. That's what maintains the interest and fun. Good luck with your new endeavor and enjoy the journey.

Lee, I love the way that you thought out things in advance.  But as you say, priorities change and you have to be willing to change.  I too love the open spaces but also love buildings and haven't figured out how to say no to them.  My town was originally planned to be a big coal fired power plant with long sidings to house my unit coal trains, but my town of Spencer couldn't be denied and the rest is history as they say.

 

Art

Lee, with all your urban renewal taking place, you might consider a link between the 2 "streets" areas via a tunnel and spiral up to the new level!

I know I speak for all of the forum members that we appreciate and enjoy your sharing your projects here. Great inspiration for a lot of us!

Sam

No No!  Think back to your childhood and your Dad and Grandfather and those fishing trips! How about the beautiful drive out and back?  Don't lose this wilderness area. I haven't seen any scenes like this that could be considered any nicer!

 

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You've received several good suggestions from Bran and John that will retain your beautiful scenery. Is there not some way to add on to your home (or move?) and enlarge your layout?  With your wonderful imagination I would suspect that you will run out of room again in the not-too-distant future... 

 

Remember the lyric from the old song "They paved paradise and put in a parking lot" 

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Lee, once again it's exciting to read about changes to your layout. I have to agree that it's sad to see the Ferrari factory go, since I know how much you (and many others) like that brand.  Hopefully it can come back again sometime if the future on your display (or maybe find a new home in the lobby in the factory Maranello or the showroom at F40 Motorsports).

Thanks for all the kind words and suggestions.  Sorry it took a while to get back to this thread.  

 

Some comments:

- I plan a helix under the plataeu down to the first level.

- I am also considering some way to expand the area of buildings, etc., in an innovative manner.  Not sure just what and how yet, but . . . 

- Still, the countryside I have left must stay countryside, "regardless of cost" - at least for now.  

The struggles of that city planners and developers go through.

 

Is it possible to use the area between your streets and countryside to put in a removable country scene?   I have considered having a removable lake/riverbank area with boats and fishing that would look nice (in my mind anyway) but be a flexible removable diorama that could be easily picked up and moved out of the way should I need to get access to that part of the layout.  

Lee,

 

I sure hope nobody from the EPA gets wind of your moving lakes around. They'll be all over you at warp speed.  

 

I had planned a city area using exisiting buildings.  This was planned before the introduction of these new buildings.  Two problems.  First problem is my city area is way too small to add in all the buildings I would like.   Problem #2 (and the biggest) if I were to even casually raise the idea of extending out another 10' my wife will file my committment papers immediately. Sadly, she's had these papers all filled out since the 80’s.  

 

I do like the idea someone posted about having removable areas. I can see having sections of the city built in such a way that they can be lifted out and a different section dropped in its place.  Good suggestion.

 

Thanks,

Ed

A lot of guys never run into this problem because they take a lifetime to fill up their layout.  But with the speed you build/modify new buildings, it's no wonder you are filling up quickly.  Especially with all of the great built-ups in the past few years from Woodland Scenics and Menard's.  Many people are struggling with where to possibly put another building.  The few fortunate people on this board with large pocketbooks and large homes are enviable just for this reason.  The world is their oyster in terms of their layout size.

There was an earlier suggestion by Lee in which he suggests using a method of "plug and play".  Some years ago I saw a portable layout that GM owns (it was housed in some kind of vehicle) in which you could see how the era of the vehicle changed with time.   The layout started out as a simple road traveled by some early vehicles surrounded by un built-up landscape.  The over time the scene changes, to the next decade.   The scene changes were accomplished by sections of the layout literally revolving around.  For example where a grove of trees stood, that section would simply revolve to reveal say an early gas station.  Later that same section would revolve once more to depict an upgraded service station.  Each of these sections had about three different scenes.  Even the road on which the autos traveled would rotate out.  Quite ingenious to say the least.  I've always envisioned doing the same thing to my layout when the time came to build it.  If done right you could have two or three very different looking layouts all in one.  

 

I agree with C.Sam, not to develop your woodland area.  I know part of is now gone, but it could be undeveloped and set back to its original format.   The Ferrari plant is well done and I vote to keep it in. 

Lee,

I have a unique suggestion for your problem. See if you can find a local club that is still building their layout. I am a big proponent of Railroad clubs. Not having room for a layout in my house, I do all my running at the club and all my modeling for the club. A club would be excited to get a member with your imagination and talents. In addition, you could do some modeling and building projects for the club layout. This would give you additional space for your projects. It would help improve the club layout and also would be a showcase to the public at club open houses. 

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There was an earlier suggestion by Lee in which he suggests using a method of "plug and play".  Some years ago I saw a portable layout that GM owns (it was housed in some kind of vehicle) in which you could see how the era of the vehicle changed with time.   The layout started out as a simple road traveled by some early vehicles surrounded by un built-up landscape.  The over time the scene changes, to the next decade.   The scene changes were accomplished by sections of the layout literally revolving around.  For example where a grove of trees stood, that section would simply revolve to reveal say an early gas station.  Later that same section would revolve once more to depict an upgraded service station.  Each of these sections had about three different scenes.  Even the road on which the autos traveled would rotate out.  Quite ingenious to say the least.  I've always envisioned doing the same thing to my layout when the time came to build it.  If done right you could have two or three very different looking layouts all in one.  

 

I agree with C.Sam, not to develop your woodland area.  I know part of is now gone, but it could be undeveloped and set back to its original format.   The Ferrari plant is well done and I vote to keep it in. 

Saw that operate at a museum many years ago, was quite ingenious! One of the empty vehicles went for $4 million this spring.

 

In the real world, once zoning changes are made, variances are given, and land is built upon into concrete canyons there is never any going back, it is ruined forever. Save both the wilderness area and Ferrari!

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Originally Posted by Allegheny:

There was an earlier suggestion by Lee in which he suggests using a method of "plug and play".  

The lake is just a removeable piece of cabinet grade plywood filled and painted to look like a quiet mountain lake.  I had posted about a year ago or more than I have (still tucked away somewhere) two alternative pull out sections for the lake.  One is a flat green meadow, the other a "secret rocket base" with big rocks hiding an inner ICBM missile base.  The lake (1/4 inch painted plywood) will remove and either will slip in . . . 

 

Problem is: a) the lake is soooo beautiful, and b) with the buildings there, it really is not that removeable.

 

 
Originally Posted by ncng:

I love Ferrari's! I love your factory! No! ncng

First, I love Ferraris, too.  So the Ferrari factory will not be thrown out.  It was built to be removable and it has been removed and will be stored away.  It is seriously too cool: I spent too much time on all the tiny details, like the concrete dirtied from exhaust, the two guys working on the an engine, tools on the workbench - even the drawings hanging on the walls - one is a set of tiny blueprints for the Lampredi 4.4 liter engine.

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And yes, there are Maseratis, OSCAs, Cisitalias and even the odd Fiat 8V, but here, too, is il commendatore himself.

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The Ferrari factory will go safely in a closet, and from time to time emerge to go back on the layout in place of the brewery and feed and seed.  

 

I too love Ferraris.  I've got addicted early, and seriously.  In high school study hall I drew, over and over again my favorite: mid-engined, scoops high on the rear fenders and low in from of the wheels.  Shark nose and all the right equipment of course.  Red with a Ferrari emblem on the front fender.  Here it is in my other "closet."  Five years old now and not as fast as the new 488 , but its much faster than I am and its my baby.   It takes me to work on mild-weather days when: a) I go to work (not today) and b) it doesn't rain (as today).  Like the trains (and the Ferrari factory) I will keep it as long as I am around.

 

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That last shot looks sooooo real! You even modeled scale extension cords on the floor... what gauge wire did you use for that wire? No wait... you mean that's a real Ferrari you own. Holy cow! A great model railroad and a Ferrari too! You are one very fortunate person. I would say that's one definition of "making it". I like the model Ferrari agency also.

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That last shot looks sooooo real! You even modeled scale extension cords on the floor... what gauge wire did you use for that wire? No wait... you mean that's a real Ferrari you own. Holy cow! A great model railroad and a Ferrari too! You are one very fortunate person. I would say that's one definition of "making it". I like the model Ferrari agency also.

Thanks Trainman2001.  Yes, it is a 1:1 scale car.  And that is actually not an extension cord on the floor, but the factory-provided, half-inch thick charger cord to the black vehicle in the foreground, a Chevy Volt.  The outlet I use is behind the Ferrari.  I realize the stark, even ironic, contrast between the two cars in my garage, but it works for me.

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