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A lot of folks asked me about if it's possible to filter the 455KHz and 3.25 MHz DCS signal apart so I wanted to write a post with some good facts for everyone.

The short answer is not really.

 

Details:

 The DCS signal has a bit rate of 3.25 MHz but if you look at the actual spreading code MTH uses: "0100010111110110011100001101010" you can see there's a repeat of five 1s in a row meaning there is frequency content at 3.25MHz/5, or about 650 KHz. As this is very close to 455 KHz it means it's tough to build a filter that can reasonably reject one signal without affecting the other. To illustrate this I did some examples for everyone. In these I used the real DCS spreading code and then ran in through various filter configurations in ADS...

 

Example of Notch Filters:

Let's start with a notch filter. So the idea would be if we "notch out" 455 KHz the Legacy Carrier should go away leaving us with just the DCS.

Let's start with a sad filter that has QF=3 (QF = Quality Factor, describes how sharp the filter is). A Q of 3 is bad, it's typical of what you'd get if you hand-wound the coil.

filter_Q3

So you can see the amplitude is sad, and the DCS is pretty distorted after the filter. 

Moving on to QF=20 (typical of a discretely implemented filter)...

filter_Q20The amplitude is better but the distortion is still pretty serious.

Finally a QF=100 is a pretty good quality filter with expensive parts. Once you get above QF=100 it becomes very very difficult to get the center frequency you want to align well.

filter_Q100

Anyways the DCS signal still looks pretty awful.

 

Example of High-Pass Filters:

The second thing to try is to setup a high-pass filter that passes DCS while chopping out the legacy signal. For this I set the corner frequency up right on top of the legacy signal (450 KHz) so to minimize the effect on the DCS.

Here is a simple 1 pole filter (1st order RC)

pole1

The DCS looks sort of okay, but not great, some amplitude is lost, but it also only gets you about 3dB (factor of 2 rejection) on the legacy signal so I don't see it as being too useful.

Lets try a 2 pole system and move the second pole out a bit to get 10dB ( a factor of 10X) rejection at the legacy frequency since that would be more useful practically.

pole2Now the DCS is really not looking so great.

 

Summary:

Although DCS has a bit rate of 3.25 MHz it has frequency content at much lower frequencies as bits within the code repeat. This content (down to ~600KHz) is very close to the legacy frequency (455 KHz) and so practical filters to separate the two signals are not easily or affordably realizable.

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Last edited by Adrian!
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As you can guess Adrian, that's not what we wanted to hear!   I suspected from our previous discussions and looking at filters that it would be difficult.

The question is, where do we go from here? 

I'm still trying to figure a reasonable solution to coupling the TMCC signal to the center rail to minimize the differential, but I haven't come up with anything practical.

I wonder what the possibility is for a DCS booster.  I know it's bi-directional, so that certainly greatly complicates the picture, and I don't have a real solution to boosting the incoming data from the locomotive, that would be better done in the locomotive.

Another ugly solution is to minimize the size of each TIU channel's load, but of course that requires more TIU's and massive rewiring.

Last edited by gunrunnerjohn

For folks finding this and still looking for solutions to run TMCC and DCS simultaneously, some recent hopeful results with a different method of solving this suggested by GunrunnerJohn, using his DM TMCC buffer with an alternate potentiometer on the gain-adjustable version, in this thread.  (Sorry, to my knowledge the buffer is not a regular “production” item, it’s only been made in short runs, so this will only help if you have one until/unless John decides to do another run of them in his “spare” time )

https://ogrforum.com/...6#136430258707148796

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